Holy Paladin Helpdesk 2 - Pre-raiding in Cataclysm

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Base Stats Theory : Pre-Raid Gear : Enchanting : Gems

 

As promised I have a more detailed guide of Holy Paladin Healing. This is part 2 of the help desk which I first launched in 4.0.1 times.  Much of this guide is based on the research and therory crafting from David Lohmeyer who is the creator of Vilepickle.com;  content and quotes from this guide are used WITH PERMISSION from David, who I extend my deepest thanks to.

 

Gone!  Gone are the days of mindlessly ignoring our gem slot bonuses and spamming INT harder than a diamond under an 18 wheeler (sort of).  We now have some new stats that crept their way into our lives. Her are the5 go-to stats for holy paladins.

Intellect - Spirit - Haste - Mastery - Critical 

Intellect - Primary

Intellect is still our strongest stat, but it needs to be used in fine balance with spirit.  Intellect will offer better Healing Per Second as it combines the effects of a greater mana pool, as well as strength of heals (formerly known as spell power)  Importantly, we need to be strategically using Divine Plea / Replenishment effects from other classes in accordance to a higher level of INT as the regeneration will be greater.  INT should still be the stat we are Gemming for PROVIDED we don't waste good socket bonuses.

Spirit - Primary/Secondary (It's confused) Important, none the less

Spirit, the Stat formerly known as MP5. This is a VERY essential stat, and the idea is we need to be at such a level of spirit that when we use our core spells (Holy Shock, Holy Light and Word of Glory) Our mana should hardly deplete.  The ideal number you want to seek to enter raids is about 2300-2500 with buffs.  As holy paladins we will be using more than the three previously mentioned spells, but the idea here is that the 2300-2500 spirit will allow us to use our mana pool more for our bigger heals (Divine Light, Flash of Light, Cleanse, Holy Radience) without inhibiting our ability to use the core spells.

Haste - Secondary

Haste is the top dog for itemization stats, or secondary stats. The more haste we have gives us a high chance to proc Daybreak.  With more Daybreak procs we can use an extra Holy Shock per cooldown (sperated with a global CD).  A lot of people worry about Haste inhibiting mana, but if we are smart, the quicker generation of holy power will mean we are using mana free heals much more commonly than we would with lesser haste.

Mastery - Secondary

Mastery is going to be handy when it is readily provided with gear, or has a great amount of it proc via a trinket effect (For Example - Mandala of Shifting Patterns), but I just can not justify it's usefulness via gems and enchants.  For mastery to be great, we need a LOT to be overly effective.  It is not a dead dog, but is in no way superior to haste.

Crit - Secondary

Crit does not boost out regeneration like it used to, so Critical has been numbed a LOT for us.  A definite one to chose to reforge out of if you feel the need to boost Spirit or Haste.  Crit isn't useless however, as bigger heals are nice, but just an impractical stat to go gaga over.

 

Head : NeckShouldersBackChestWristHandsWaistLegsFeetRings TrinketsWeaponShield / Offhand : Relic


Head#1: Specialized Bio-Optic Killshades Engineering Craftiness (BOP)
#2: Crown of the Blazing Sun Justice Badges
#3: Helm of Untold Stories (Heroic) Shadowfang Keep - SFK
#4: Lunar Halo (Heroic) Vortex Pineapple
#5: Stormforged Helm Blacksmithing Craftiness (BOE)

Head : NeckShouldersBackChestWristHandsWaistLegsFeetRings TrinketsWeaponShield / Offhand : Relic


 

Neck#1: Quicksilver Amulet (Heroic) Blackrock Caverns
#2a: Celadon Pendant Justice Points
#2b: Amulet of Tender Breath (Heroic) Vortex Pineapple
#4: Winking Eye of Love (Not active, will be in SFK for the Valentines Day event)

#5:Yellow Smoke Pendant Dragonmaw Rep

#5:Lightning Flash Pendant Wildhammer Rep

Head : NeckShouldersBackChestWristHandsWaistLegsFeetRings TrinketsWeaponShield / Offhand : Relic


 

Shoulders

#1:  Harp Shell Pauldrons (Heroic) Throne of the Tides
#2: Pauldrons of the Forlorn Justice Points
#3: Cinnabar Shoulders (Heroic) Stonecore
#4: Captain Hadan's Pauldrons (Lost City of Tol'Vir Quest)

#5:Detective's Shoulderplates (Allliance Quest)

Head : NeckShouldersBackChestWristHandsWaistLegsFeetRings TrinketsWeaponShield / Offhand : Relic


 

Back

#1: Solar Wind Cloak (Heroic) Halls of Origination
#2: Azureborne Cloak (Heroic) Grim Butol
#3: Springvale's Cloak (Heroic) Shadowfang Keep
#4: Solar Wind Cloak (Regular) Halls of Origination

#5:  Periwinkle Cloak (Heroic) Throne of the Tides

Head : NeckShouldersBackChestWristHandsWaistLegsFeetRings TrinketsWeaponShield / Offhand : Relic


 

Chest

#1: Peacemaker's Breastplate (Rep) Earthern Ring
#2: Omega Breastplate (Heroic) Halls of Origination
#3: Light Elementium Chestguard Blacksmithing Craftiness (BOE)
#4: Chestguard of Dancing Waves Justice Points

#5: Abalone Plate Armor (Heroic) Throne of the Tides

Head : NeckShouldersBackChestWristHandsWaistLegsFeetRings TrinketsWeaponShield / Offhand : Relic


 

Wrist

#1: Bracers of Umbral Mending (Heroic) Grim Butol
#2: Gearbreaker's Bindings (Heroic) Deadmines
#3: Bracers of Umbral Mending (Regular) Grim Butol

Head : NeckShouldersBackChestWristHandsWaistLegsFeetRings TrinketsWeaponShield / Offhand : Relic


 

Hands

#1: World Keeper's Gauntlets (Rep) Earthern Ring
#2: Gloves of Curious Conscience  Justice Points
#3: Clutches of Dying Light (Heroic) Blackrock Caverns
#4: Repository Gauntlets (Quest - Halls of Origination)

#5: Clutches of Dying Light (Heroic) Blackrock Caverns

Head : NeckShouldersBackChestWristHandsWaistLegsFeetRings TrinketsWeaponShield / Offhand : Relic


 

Waist

#1: Sun King's Girdle (Rep) Uldum
#2: Light Elementium Belt Blacksmithing Craftiness (BOE)
#3: Belt of Barred Clouds Justice Points
#4: Belt of the Ringworm (Heroic) Stonecore

#5: Clutches of Dying Light  (Quest - Alliance)

Head : NeckShouldersBackChestWristHandsWaistLegsFeetRings TrinketsWeaponShield / Offhand : Relic


 

Legs

#1: Greaves of the Misguided (Heroic) Shadowfang Keep
#2: Legguards of Noon (Heroic) Halls of Origination
#3: Legguards of the Gentle Justice Points
#4: Legguards of Noon (Regular) Halls of Origination

Head : NeckShouldersBackChestWristHandsWaistLegsFeetRings TrinketsWeaponShield / Offhand : Relic


 

Feet

#1: Guildmaster's Greaves (Heroic) Deadmines
#2: Drystone Greaves Justice Points
#3: Greaves of Wu the Younger (Heroic) Tol'vir
#4: Sussurating Treads of Shok'sharak (Drop) A rare Faceless One named Shok'Sharak (Vashj'ir - The Abyssal Depths.)

#5: Greaves of Wu the Younger  (Regular) Tol'vir

Head : NeckShouldersBackChestWristHandsWaistLegsFeetRings TrinketsWeaponShield / Offhand : Relic


 

Rings

#1: Ring of the Boy Emperor Archaeology - Tol'vir Project 
#2: Kibble (Heroic) Blackrock Caverns
#3: Band of Life Energy (Heroic) Halls of Origination
#4: Ring of Frozen Rain (Heroic) Vortex Pineapple

#5: Veneficial Band  (Heroic) Tol'vir

Head : NeckShouldersBackChestWristHandsWaistLegsFeetRings TrinketsWeaponShield / Offhand : Relic


 

Trinkets

#1: Darkmoon Card: Tsunami Inscription Craftiness (BOE)
#2: Tyrande's Favorite Doll Archaeology - Night Elf Project

#3: Mandala of Stirring Patterns (Reputation) Tol Barad

#4: Witching Hourglass (Heroic) Blackrock Caverns

#5: Figurine - Dream Owl  Jewelcrafting Quest (BOP)

Head : NeckShouldersBackChestWristHandsWaistLegsFeetRings TrinketsWeaponShield / Offhand : Relic


Appeal:  Dear Holy Paladins... If you see a weapon with HIT on it... Let caster DPS have it over you!

(If you know me, you know my Seethe rants)

 

Weapon

#1: Scepter of Power (Heroic) Halls of Origination
#2: Elementium Hammer Blacksmith Craftiness (BOE)

#3: Torturer's Mercy (Heroic) Blackrock Caverns

#4: Shimmering Morningstar (Rep) Tol Barad

#5: Blade of the Burning Sun  (Regular) Halls of Origination

Head : NeckShouldersBackChestWristHandsWaistLegsFeetRings TrinketsWeaponShield / Offhand : Relic



Off-Hand

#1: Elementium Stormshield Crafted by Blacksmiths (BOE)
#2: Shield of the Mists Justice Points

#3: Crepuscular Shield (Heroic) Blackrock Caverns

#4: Zora's Ward (Heroic) Tol'Vir

#5: Zora's Ward (Regular) Tol'Vir

Head : NeckShouldersBackChestWristHandsWaistLegsFeetRings TrinketsWeaponShield / Offhand : Relic



Relic

#1: Captured Lightning (Heroic) Vortex Pineapple
#2: Book of Dark Prophecies (Heroic) Stonecore

#3: Book of the Well Sung Song (Heroic) Deadmines

#4: Tattooed Eyeball (Crafted) Inscription (BOE)

#5: Book of Dark Prophecies (Regular) Stonecore

 

 

 

Head:
Arcanum of Hyjal
Guardians of Hyjal - Revered

Shoulders:
1.) Greater Inscription of Charged Lodestone
Therazane - Exalted

2.) Lesser Inscription of Charged Lodestone 
Therazane - Honored
 

Back:

1.) Enchant Cloak - Greater Intellect
2.) Enchant Cloak - Intellect

Chest:

1.) Enchant Chest - Exceptional Spirit
2.) Enchant Chest - Peerless Stats

This is down to choice, but on the grand scheme of things Spirit is my preference on early reaid/pre raid gear

Wrist:
1.) Enchant Bracer - Exceptional Spirit
2.) Enchant Bracer - Greater Speed

Again, the #1 choice is focussed on early raiding. As mana retention seems to become easier then Speed will be best.

Hands:
1.) Enchant Gloves - Haste
2.) Enchant Gloves - Greater Mastery

Mastery doesn't have much usefulness in early raiding, haste is much more handy

Waist:
Ebonsteel Belt Buckle
 

Legs:

1.) Powerful Ghostly Spellthread
2.) Ghostly Spellthread

Feet:

1.) Enchant Boots - Lavawalker
2.) Enchant Boots - Earthen Vitality
This is a nice way to get a bit of mastery.  ALWAYS get the enchants with run speed enchants for PVE raiding.  You should not be specced into Persuit of Justice, and the minor run speed increase can have MAJOR benefits. (In my hardcore guild in LK to even be considered for an application you had to have Tuskar's Vitality, regardless of class/roll)

Weapon:
1.) Enchant Weapon - Power Torrent
2.) Enchant Weapon - Heartsong

Most people seem to be going Heartsong, however I believe the ratio of Int (500) vs Spirit (200) provides much more benefit with Power Torrent than Heartsong.  However, Heartsong is a great deal cheaper and still very good.

Shield:
Enchant Off-Hand - Superior Intellect

Red: Brilliant Chimera's Eye (JC) : Brilliant Inferno Ruby

Blue: Purified Demonseye

Yellow:Reckless Ember Topaz

Meta: Ember Shadowspirit Diamond

Prismatic: Brilliant Chimera's Eye (JC) : Brilliant Inferno Ruby

Comments

kayeich's picture

heartsong vs power torrent

"Most people seem to be going Heartsong, however I believe the ratio of Int (500) vs Spirit (200) provides much more benefit with Power Torrent than Heartsong. However, Heartsong is a great deal cheaper and still very good."

The reason most people pick Heartsong is because of the ICD.

Heartsong has an ICD of 20 seconds and lasts 15 seconds. At its minimum, it'll be down only 5 seconds, on average somewhere around 10-18 seconds due to the proc chance. So it's up 45-55% of the time.

Power Torrent has an ICD of 45 seconds and lasts 12 seconds. At it's minimum it's going to be down 33 seconds, on average around 40-45 seconds due to proc chance. So it's up about 20-25% of the time. A little less than half the uptime of Heartsong, so even though 500 Int looks much superior to 200 Spirit at a glance, they really are kinda balanced.

Right now, because at low tiers mana regen is still a concern, people are picking up heartsong because it (a) provides superior mp5 (b) is less spikey, even if it sacrifices the better hp5 from Power Torrent.

At later tiers, as gear gets more spirit, power torrent will probably start getting used much more. But for now, that's basically why Heartsong is more popular. Well, that -and- as you mentioned, cheaper. =p

As for the feet enchant, I'd still toss up the Haste boot enchant as a mention for the people that -do- spec into Pursuit of Justice. 31/3/7 is still a valid spec just because it's 15% movement vs 8% from boots. It's generally not -necessary- simply because between 8% movement and speed of light, but it's not an entirely 'wrong' choice either.

wkjezz's picture

Heartsong is still a vastly

Heartsong is still a vastly inferior enchant on the grand scheme of things.  People struggling to hit the 2300-2500 spirit may well be doing good to choose it.  Most people are getting  Heartsong due to it being a much more accessible and cheaper enchant.  I have read the theory you posted before, but it just still doesnt step up to PT's legitimacy as the best weapon enchant for holy paladins, esp when timing it's proc to use it in conjunction with DP.

8% Run speed is more than enough run speed enchant, 15% RSI is just overkill,  unless maybe on dial up, or a bit slow reading raid awareness. That being said POJ spec is not good for PVE in comparison to other specs unless possibly you are still in a 25 guild with 2 strategically specced paladins to operate in different capacities, but no where near good enough in comparison to other specs in starter raid situations, esp in 10 person one holy paladin composition.

Your points are valid and welcome"ly" objective, but i think rather niche in some respects.

-WKJezz
Moderator

wkjezz's picture

Another and most importantly

Another, and the MOST important reason to pick PT over HS is it looks way cooler.

-WKJezz
Moderator

kayeich's picture

*laughs* hard to argue with

*laughs* hard to argue with that.

Jiyambi's picture

It looks like in your gemming

It looks like in your gemming section you may have mis-matched the blue and yellow gems. Also a brief explanation of when to match gem sockets and when not to would be excellent. I know for resto druids we should only match gem sockets in order to make our meta work and if the socket bonus from changing a single gem is 20 int or greater.

kayeich's picture

For paladins, two additional

For paladins, two additional factors:
1) Need at least two Reckless Topaz just to match the meta gem, even if socket bonuses might suck.
2) Changing one Reckless Topaz for a Brilliant Ruby is still worth it for a socket bonus of 10 Int (Trading 10 Int for 20 Haste)

Outside of those two, it's the same rules as what you just said, as far as I know.

wkjezz's picture

e-mail regarding content sharing

On Tue, Dec 28, 2010 at 6:14 PM,  <blocked> wrote:
> WKjezz sent a message using the contact form at
http://www.vilepickle.com/contact.
>
> I work with a WoW Fansite called www.wow-pro.com.  I do many articles on
> Holy Paladins, and I was wandering if I may use some of your material for a
> blog/guide.  If you agree to this I will be sure to fully credit you and
> provide links to your resource.  Thanks
>
> WKJ

 

WKJ,
Sure, as long as credit is given.

Thanks!

-WKJezz
Moderator

Jiyambi's picture

Awesome, and I like the

Awesome, and I like the change to your "back to the top" button. Win!

kayeich's picture

Yeah, I rather like the

Yeah, I rather like the thinner "back to top" button a lot more than the original one too. =)

Jiyambi's picture

Looks awesome as always Jezz!

Looks awesome as always Jezz! I agree with kayeich that some [ hr ] might be nice to break up the sections, and "Back to the Top" being left justified just above section titles looks a little odd, but overall I like the presentation a lot and the matching pretty header images are a nice touch.

 

Thanks for this, as always!

wkjezz's picture

If you get time and wanna

If you get time and wanna spruce up the formatting please do so, I have some issues with my addon for firefox doing what it should when it comes to most justification and break functions.

-WKJezz
Moderator

kayeich's picture

Two more comments: 1) Your

Two more comments:
1) Your guide is in the wrong section. You have it in the class section, not specifically the paladin section.
2) I would recommend putting the [hr] tag between sections. It's a little jarring how sections are split without the divider.

kayeich's picture

Oh, and you might want to

Oh, and you might want to have a section for profession alternatives (ie, shoulder inscription, ring enchants, engineering goggles, synapse springs, draconic embossment - intellect, darkglow embroidery, etc)

wkjezz's picture

Im gonna leave that one open

Im gonna leave that one open to the public, I am only familiar with Alch/JC profession mix, seems to be the trendy holy paladin professions ATM

-WKJezz
Moderator

kayeich's picture

You need a link to Part I in

You need a link to Part I in the body, and the reverse is true too. =p

Also, you labeled Spirit as a primary stat again. ;p

wkjezz's picture

Spirit

I knowwww..... I hate the little gender confused stat for it's akwardness.  In THIS chapter I prefer it to be considered a primary stat as for it's balance with intel, as I don't want glancers to think oh hai int, i will spam you silly.

 

Edit incoming though 

-WKJezz
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wkjezz's picture

Holy Paladin Helpdesk - Part 2 is here

^

-WKJezz
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