General Bug Reporting

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Known Bugs:

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    • Faction (Alliance/Horde)
    • Zone
    • What step you were on
  • As many details as possible about what you were doing when the bug occurred.

Including this information will help us troubleshoot and possibly get you a temporary solution to the bug, and get it fixed as quickly as possible!

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Addon

Version 2.1.4

It said i had the trial and to download the full one so i go here and download it and put it where its supposed to go. Yet it still says i have the trial. Ive tried deleting it and redoing it and no luck. Almost all of my guides are just 0-1 steps.

Crackerhead22's picture

I would suggest deleting all

I would suggest deleting all folders that deal with WoWPro addon, including those in the WTF folder.  Then download directly from here http://github.com/downloads/Jiyambi/WoW-Pro-Guides/WoWPro%20v2.1.4.zip

I've found two issues. One

I've found two issues. One new and one that hasn't changed.

 

New: I have to personally check off quests and actions on the addon now. Not sure wether it's just Un'Goro Horde or Uldum, but it's the same for both. This has only started to happen in the newest addon update.

One reccuring: Experience through Stranglethorn Horde, and now finding on every Cata guide, the green dot cursor is perminantly stuck on my own location. Nothing I do seems to solve it, it just always comes back to myself so it's generally faster having to open the map and close it again and guess the fastest/only direction if it's in an underground/difficult to reach place. I can't fully remember which version I had prior to the newest, but they both have this same issue.

Terokkar Forest

Seems like Aldor and Scyer has been merged into a single Lua file. However, the guide.xml was not updated, making this guide not shown in the addon. Also, there's a bug with the rep. I took up Aldor, but it came up with the 2nd part asking me to choose Scyer. I had to manually skip it.

Also, OpenID login doesn't work.

Rep with Aldor/Scryer

The first quest you do for Aldor or Scryer, both quests will pop up.  No way to avoid that.  Once you turn in that first quest though, you are no longer neutral with both factions and it should work from then on.

Ludovicus_Maior's picture

Terokkar Forest Corrections

  1. Guides.xml problem is fixed in https://github.com/Jiyambi/WoW-Pro-Guides/commit/74095b9cfd6fdf54006c9746e5c8ab01dac3331b
  2. As for the Aldor/Scryer problem you noted, I'll let Crackerhead22 take a crack at it
  3. OpenID login problems I'll pass along to one of the moderators.

Dispaering Arrow

I also noticed jet another thing. Arrow is keep dispaearing and reapering in this version of add on. Does somebody else have this issue?


 


Thanks,


N

Ludovicus_Maior's picture

Where in the world is Niki

Niki:   Where were you and what guide were you using?

The worst problem with

The worst problem with disappering arrow was at mauntin Hjal.  I solved the problem by reloading UI. Then arrow apper. I have a feeling that it might have something to do with latency and not addon by itself but who knows. Once again thank you for a great addon.

I have also issue with oppening add on menu on minimap

Hello,


this add on is great. I used it for around 10 days and when I installed new version 2.1.2 I also like many encourted problem with opening menu by using minimap. I hope you can solve this since in old version there was no such a problem.


 


Thank you once again for your great effort.

Ludovicus_Maior's picture

MiniMap Options page problem fixed in the next release.

The problem with the mini-map button not opening the options pane is fixed.

Next update is on Wednesday.

The guide list and current

The guide list and current guide are appearing under the Wow-Pro item instead of Wow-Pro leveling and right-clicking the minimap/ldb button doesn't open the config.

Are others experiencing this, or is something perhaps corrupt with my saved variables.

Jiyambi's picture

The current guide and guide

The current guide and guide list panels are supposed to be there now, they were moved there in preparation for the new modules coming out. I don't think I said that expressly anywhere but I didn't think it was a big enough change to warrant an announcement.

I will look into the minimap button issue, I don't *think* I changed anything that would affect that but if you are experiencing a problem with it, I apparently did >_<

Thanks for the report!

Found the offending line of code

line 631 of WoWPro_Frames.lua has the following line:

InterfaceOptionsFrame_OpenToCategory("WoW-Pro Guides")

I changed this to "WoW-Pro" and it opens the panel correctly. I believe it used to open to the current guide so switching up to "Current Guide" might work, I will try this out next.

Jiyambi's picture

Yeah, I changed the category

Yeah, I changed the category name from WoW-Pro Guides to WoW-Pro because that forced it to appear above all our new modules, some of which would have come alphabetically after "Guides". Guess I missed a couple references to the old menu name though, oops!

Thanks for finding the issue for me. I won't be pushing an update especially for this, but I'll probably release another update in a week or two (I want to try and do updates every two weeks at the longest from now on).

Ludovicus_Maior's picture

Minimap Menu Problem fixed for 2.1.4

The fix for this problem is in 2.1.4 .


I ran across it while testing a fix for another bug and rediscovered the same change.


 

It forgot what quests were completed on upgrade

I just upgraded to 2.1.2 (I didn't add the new Dailies module yet), and questing in Desolace, but it unchecked all of the quests but 4. The 50 to 100+ quests before those 4 are unchecked even though they were done before.... It did reload the correct guide I was working on (though I wasn't in Desolace at the time but Stormwind when I logged back in).  

Jiyambi's picture

Yes, I should put a note

Yes, I should put a note about that. One of the changes we made was a change to the location of the savedvariables. Unfortunately this means the guide will loose your progress once - but if you reset the guide you are working on it should be able to catch back up.

I'll note this in the news post, sorry about that!

ty Jiyambi

ty Jiyambi

old and new toons

i was on my dk doing some of the orc guide and i like playing new class so i made a orc toon and the guide is set where the dk end the guide and i can't get it to go back to the first quest for the orc

Death knight Starter Area

Hi,

 

I just created a Worgen DK.

I keep getting LUA error:

Message: Interface\AddOns\WoWPro\WoWPro_Mapping.lua:337: attempt to index field '?' (a nil value)Time: 01/09/11 21:50:33Count: 4Stack: Interface\AddOns\WoWPro\WoWPro_Mapping.lua:337: in function `MapPoint'...ce\AddOns\WoWPro_Leveling\WoWPro_Leveling_Parser.lua:134: in function `SkipStep'...ce\AddOns\WoWPro_Leveling\WoWPro_Leveling_Parser.lua:389: in function <...ce\AddOns\WoWPro_Leveling\WoWPro_Leveling_Parser.lua:386>Locals: self = <table> { note = <table> { } index = <table> { } zone = <table> { } CreateGuideWindowScrollbar = <function> defined @Interface\AddOns\WoWPro\WoWPro_Frames.lua:512 modules = <table> { } target = <table> { } CreateHeading = <function> defined @Interface\AddOns\WoWPro\WoWPro_Widgets.lua:100 optional = <table> { } Tags = <table> { } MapPoint = <function> defined @Interface\AddOns\WoWPro\WoWPro_Mapping.lua:271 Titlebar = Titlebar { } CreateSkipStepsDialog = <function> defined @Interface\AddOns\WoWPro\WoWPro_Frames.lua:643 UpdateGuide = <function> defined @Interface\AddOns\WoWPro\WoWPro_Broker.lua:48 SetDefaults = <function> defined @Interface\AddOns\WoWPro\WoWPro_Config.lua:14 Leveling = <table> { } IsEnabled = <function> defined @Interface\AddOns\WoWPro\Libraries\AceAddon-3.0\AceAddon-3.0.lua:467 RegisterTags = <function> defined @Interface\AddOns\WoWPro\WoWPro.lua:169 NextStep = <function> defined @Interface\AddOns\WoWPro\WoWPro_Broker.lua:134 UnregisterEvents = <function> defined @Interface\AddOns\WoWPro\WoWPro.lua:190 ActiveStickyCount = 0 CreateMiniMapButton = <function> defined @Interface\AddOns\WoWPro\WoWPro_Frames.lua:619 FramesLoaded = true RegisterEvents = <function> defined @Interface\AddOns\WoWPro\WoWPro.lua:180 StickyFrame = WoWPro.StickyFrame { } ResetMainFramePosition = <function> defined @Interface\AddOns\WoWPro\WoWPro_Frames.lua:15 OnEnable = <function> defined @Interface\AddOns\WoWPro\WoWPro.lua:90 Version = "2.1.0" prof = <table> { } PaddingSet = <function> defined @Interface\AddOns\WoWPro\WoWPro_Frames.lua:69 missingQuest = false DebugMode = false TitleText = <unnamed> { } CreateMouseNotes = <function> defined @Interface\AddOns\WoWPro\WoWPro_Frames.lua:589 OnInitialize = <function> defined @Interface\AddOns\WoWPro\WoWPro.lua:81 NewModule = <function> defined @Interface\AddOns\WoWPro\Libraries\AceAddon-3.0\AceAddon-3.0.lua:256 NextGuideDialog = Guide Completed { } AnchorSet = <function> defined @Interface\AddOns\WoWPro\WoWPro_Frames.lua:263 RowSet = <function> defined @Interface\AddOns\WoWPro\WoWPro_Frames.lua:318 CreateStep = <function> defined @Interface\AddOns\WoWPro\WoWPro_Widgets.lua:30 GetName = <function> defined @Interface\AddOns\WoWPro\Libraries\AceAddon-3.0\AceAddon-3.0.lua:300 name = "WoWPro" noncombat = <table> { } Disable = <function> defined @Interface\AddOns\WoWPro\Libraries\AceAddon-3.0\AceAddon-3.0.lua:330 action = <table> { } CreateTargetButton = <function> defined @Interface\AddOns\WoWPro\WoWPro_Widgets.lua:81 rows = <table> { } Print = <function> defined @Interface\AddOns\WoWPro\WoWPro.lua:23 DragSet = <function> defined @Interface\AddOns\WoWPro\WoWPro_Frames.lua:42 leadin = <table> { } CreateMainFrame = <function> defined @Interface\AddOns\WoWPro\WoWPro_Frames.lua:361 RowColorSet = <function> defined @Interface\AddOns\WoWPro\WoWPro_Frames.lua:124 NextStepNotSticky = <function> defined @Interface\AddOns\WoWPro\WoWPro_Broker.lua:243 QuestLog = <table> { } SkipStepsCancelButton = Cancel { } CreateBG = <function> defined @Interface\AddOns\WoWPro\WoWPro_Widgets.lua:117 SetDefaultModuleLibraries = <function> defined @Interface\AddOns\WoWPro\Libraries\AceAddon-3.0\AceAddon-3.0.lua:383 GuideFrame = WoWPro.GuideFrame { } CompleteStep = <function> defined @Interface\AddOns\WoWPro\WoWPro_Broker.lua:258 step = <table> { } LoadNilGuide = <function> defined @Interface\AddOns\WoWPro\WoWPro_NilGuide.lua:5 baseName = "WoWPro" IterateEmbeds = <function> defined @Interface\AddOns\WoWPro\Librari

 

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Also TomTom is not working. And I keep getting mesage: Wow-Pro: Zone not found. Using current zone.

The addon is not working for me at all. i noticed some one mentioned this problem before in this section but I couldn't find a solution post yet.

 

edit: I deleted WTC,Cache and interface folders and installed the latest versions of Wow-pro and TomTom again. Problem still exists.

Is there a way to get around this so the addon wroks properly? Thanks.

Jiyambi's picture

I beleive this issue is

I beleive this issue is specific to the DK starter area. I will look into fixing it before the next update, which I hope to get done today.

So we are getting an update

So we are getting an update of the addon today inwhere the DK Starter section is also fixed?

Sounds nice. I can't wait to download it tommorow and start leveling my Death Knight. Thanks already!...

Ludovicus_Maior's picture

DK Starting Area Repairs

The DK Starting area is in better shape in 2.1.3a .


There were errors in our Addon that got fixed.


However, TomTom itself has problems setting waypoints in that zone and is not reliable there.


It is usable now.

Jiyambi's picture

Unfortunately it doesn't look

Unfortunately it doesn't look like I'll have time to finish the update tonight. Will be getting it done ASAP though, hopefully tomorrow! School is crazy this term!

Addon forgets settings

Every time I log in, I have to uncheck the "Enable Addon" box for my toon that's already finished all the Cataclysm guides.

kayeich's picture

Well, you can go to the

Well, you can go to the addon's option on the login screen and disable the addon there for specific characters too (leaving it on for characters you're still leveling)

Yes

Sure, but I figure if they have the option in the addon, they probably want to know that it's not working properly.

Jiyambi's picture

Yup, this is planned to be

Yup, this is planned to be fixed in the future. If you have the minimap icon enabled, you can also just left-click it to diable the addon, it's a little faster than going into the options screen.

Thanks!

I use ButtonBin, so I can just click on the LDB part, but that's good to hear that it'll be fixed for real!  :)

Sticky not working as expected

I don't know if it's my expectations are different from what actually happens, or if it's a bug, so I'll say the problem, and let you decide if it is working as intended, or is a bug.

I have a "sticky" entry, and I'd expect that to show until complete, and allow other steps to show below it, moving onto the next steps as they are completed.  However, the two problems I appear to see is that (a) future steps don't move on until the sticky is done, and (b) only three steps total are shown (hence max of 2 stickies and a third step) - not a deal-breaker, only had one such example, but was able to work around it.

Best to give an example.  I have a line for a sticky, followed by three entries then an unsticky, thus:

  • C Floor loot |QID|9990|S|N|Loot from the floor as you go through area.|
  • C Step 1|QID|9991|N|Step 1, go to this location, and do this.|
  • C Step 2|QID|9992|N|Step 2, go to this location, and do this.|
  • C Step 3|QID|9993|N|Step 3, go to this location, and do this.|
  • C Floor loot |QID|9990|US|N|Finish looting from the floor as you return.|

What I would like to see, or expect to see is the top show the Floor loot and Step 1 at the same time.  Once Step 1 is done, it will now display the Floor loot (if there's any left to do) plus Step 2.  Once Step 2 is done, I would expect it to show the Floor loot (if there's any left to do) plus Step 3.  If after step 3 there is still Floor loot left, then I would expect that to be the single entry on display.

What I actually see is Floor loot and Step 1, even after Step 1 done and showing a tick in the box.  It doesn't move onto showing Step 2 until the Floor loot is done.

Crackerhead22's picture

Do you have scroll on? I've

Do you have scroll on? I've only ever noticed that when the option for scrolling is on.  Try turning scrolling mode off and see if it still does that.

Yes, I have Scroll on.  I'll

Yes, I have Scroll on.  I'll try it without, to see if that makes it behave how I expect.

Ludovicus_Maior's picture

attempt to perform arithmetic on local 'iactual' (a nil value)

I was on a L80 Dwarf DK doing the new Dwarf starter quests and had just gotten the quest "Bound for Kharanos" from "Ciara Deepstone", got "[Sample Casks]" into my bags and then got this error:

Date: 2010-12-30 05:41:11
ID: 1
Error occured in: Global
Count: 1
Message: ..\AddOns\WoWPro\WoWPro_Mapping.lua line 396:
attempt to perform arithmetic on local 'iactual' (a nil value)
Debug:
[C]: ?
WoWPro\WoWPro_Mapping.lua:396: MapPoint()
WoWPro\WoWPro_Broker.lua:274: CompleteStep()
...ce\AddOns\WoWPro_Leveling\WoWPro_Leveling_Parser.lua:710: AutoCompleteQuestUpdate()
...ce\AddOns\WoWPro_Leveling\WoWPro_Leveling_Parser.lua:582: EventHandler()
WoWPro\WoWPro.lua:142:
WoWPro\WoWPro.lua:122

I suspect from reading the code that I may have hit the actual waypoint for Clara and had another waypoint set in the zone.
The the following code:

local closest_uid = TomTom:GetClosestWaypoint()
if closest_uid then
local iactual
for i,waypoint in ipairs(cache) do
if (waypoint.uid == closest_uid) then
iactual = i break end
end
for i=iactual+1,#cache,1 do
TomTom:RemoveWaypoint(cache[i].uid)
end
end

might end up with iactual unset. But I am no LUA programmer, I just do code reviews for a living.
BTW: The version number in WoWPro_Leveling.toc was not updated from 2.1.0 to 2.1.1!

Ludovicus_Maior's picture

Same bat error, different quest.

Error also occured after killing "Grawmug" for the quest [A Decisive Strike] in Loch Modan.

Mount Hyjal

The addon insists I should go and begin a quest I have no access to. When I ticked the ignore box it told me that doing so would ignore a load of other quests, one of which I was actually on. The database is wrong, there must be a way to access later quests in this chain without going through what the addon believes to be the first quest.

Now that I finally gave in and told the addon to ignore all the quests from that chain it has in fact ignored all the quests for the entire Mount Hyjal area.

Quest that the addon believes I should do - Gar'gols gotta go

Addon version - 2.1.0

Faction - Alliance

Guide - Mount Hyjal

Step - Unknown as the addon doesn't understand where I actually am.

 

jason.e.harvey's picture

Gar'gols not gone

I had the same problem.  The quest giver is Kristoff Manheim at 27.1, 40.7 inside the cave, but he's also an escort quest.  If he's not there, someone is most likely escorting him.  I just came back and did it later with no problems.  There's no pre-quest for this one, though it's good to do it at the same time as the quest Elementary! (quest=25303) the ogres will be non-hostile.

In memory of our God, our religion, and freedom, and our peace, our wives, and our children
--Cpt. Moroni

I found this, I belive it is

I found this, I belive it is one of the 'goto' quests to goto one of the shrines.  The reason you cant get that quest is because there is a conflicting quest in your log. (I.e. you cant have both quests) but I can't remember the name of either quest.. useful I know. :D  Its possibly the step where you have to go to the Shrine of Aessina(or something) and there is a quest to do just that which the guide teels you to pick up back in Nordrassil.

If you go into the 'current guide' and uncheck all the steps you havent done yet to take you back to the 'bugged' quest.  If you then right click on the step to accept the quest, you should be able to skip the acceptance of the quest, and carry on with the rest of the guide (again you will need to right click the step when it tells you to hand in).

 

Hopefully this will help.

Thanks For The Guides

Thanks For The Guides

MJB

Additional Facts

Ashenvale

Horde

Hot Lava Quest 

Not The Only Time In Ashenvale :(

 

MJB

Error ??

Date: 2010-12-29 20:04:28

ID: 3

Error occured in: Global

Count: 1

Message: ..\FrameXML\QuestPOI.lua line 204:

   attempt to index
local 'poiButton' (a nil value)

Debug:

   [C]: ?

  
..\FrameXML\QuestPOI.lua:204: QuestPOI_HideButtons()

   ..\FrameXML\WorldMapFrame.lua:1877:
WorldMapFrame_ClearQuestPOIs()

  
..\FrameXML\WorldMapFrame.lua:1718: WorldMapFrame_UpdateQuests()

  
...ce\AddOns\WoWPro_Leveling\WoWPro_Leveling_Parser.lua:643:
PopulateQuestLog()

  
...ce\AddOns\WoWPro_Leveling\WoWPro_Leveling_Parser.lua:581:
EventHandler()

  
WoWPro\WoWPro.lua:142:

     
WoWPro\WoWPro.lua:122

AddOns:

  Swatter, v5.9.4960
(WhackyWallaby)

  Accountant,
v3.11.40000

  AucAdvanced,
v5.9.4960 (WhackyWallaby)

  AucFilterBasic,
v5.9.4960 (WhackyWallaby)

  AucFilterOutlier,
v5.9.4960.2531

  AucMatchUndercut,
v5.9.4960.2531

  AucScanData,
v5.9.4960 (WhackyWallaby)

  AucStatHistogram,
v5.9.4960 (WhackyWallaby)

  AucStatiLevel,
v5.9.4960 (WhackyWallaby)

  AucStatPurchased,
v5.9.4960 (WhackyWallaby)

  AucStatSales,
v5.9.4960.2842

  AucStatSimple,
v5.9.4960 (WhackyWallaby)

  AucStatStdDev,
v5.9.4960 (WhackyWallaby)

  AucStatWOWEcon,
v5.9.4960.2530

 
AucUtilAHWindowControl, v5.9.4960.3311

  AucUtilAppraiser,
v5.9.4960.2530

  AucUtilAskPrice,
v5.9.4960.3175

  AucUtilAutoMagic, v5.9.4960.3142

  AucUtilCompactUI,
v5.9.4960.2530

  AucUtilEasyBuyout,
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  AucUtilFixAH,
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  AucUtilGlypher,
v5.9.4960.2545

  AucUtilItemSuggest,
v5.9.4960.3108

  AucUtilPriceLevel,
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  AucUtilScanFinish,
v5.9.4960.2530

  AucUtilScanProgress,
v5.9.4960.2530

  AucUtilScanStart,
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  AucUtilSearchUI,
v5.9.4960.3655

 
AucUtilSimpleAuction, v5.9.4960.4546

  AucUtilVendMarkup,
v5.9.4960.2530

  Auctionator, v2.8.6

  Babylonian,
v5.1.DEV.130

  Bartender4, v4.4.15

  BeanCounter,
v5.9.4960 (WhackyWallaby)

  Configator,
v5.1.DEV.282

  CrapAway, v

  DebugLib,
v5.1.DEV.275

  Enchantrix,
v5.9.4960 (WhackyWallaby)

  EnchantrixBarker,
v5.9.4960 (WhackyWallaby)

  GatherMate2, v1.0.8

  GoldPerHour, v1.7

  Informant, v5.9.4960
(WhackyWallaby)

  LightHeaded, v322

  Routes, vv1.3.3

  sellgrey, v4.0.1

  SlideBar, v5.9.4960
(WhackyWallaby)

  Stubby, v5.9.4960
(WhackyWallaby)

  TomTom,
vv40000-1.0.9

  WoWPro, v2.1.0

  WoWProLeveling, v2.1.0

  BlizRuntimeLib_enUS
v4.0.3.40000 <us>

  (ck=6d0)

MJB

freedave2000's picture

Bugged quest could be "The Befouled Element" in Ashenville

http://www.wowwiki.com/Quest:The_Befouled_Element

I spent the last day trying to troubleshoot this error.  The challenge is that it caused the Wow-Pro AddOn to fail and quests quit auto rolling.  The other behavior I noticed was that the first time openning the World Map, the numberd quest bubbles would show.  After the first time, the numbered bubble disappeard.

After doing trial and error on every AddOn, I decided to turn my quests in and see if I could determine which might alliviate the error.  After turning in "The Befouled Element" quest to Mastok Wrilehiss, I no longer get the error.

Hope this helps.

----DAVE

 

ashenvale

during ashenvale guide steps 173 (collecting furbolg ears) and 174 (water elementals) i keep getting an error. it seems to happen when i loot the ear and kill the elementals. i disabled addon and error went away. thanks for the guides they are awesome.

Dailies?

Running 2.0

Are there plans for allowing a way to track dailies?  For instance i have completed everything in Twilight Highlands (horde) and am now running the dailies. However, the guide doesn't do anything for these as they are not in the "quide" for that zone, nor can I go into Twilight to view it as a "current guide" to manually uncheck just those quests. Once I finished the zone, it no longer allows me to select that guide.

Thoughts?

wkjezz's picture

Dalies:

Jiyambi is close to completing the Dalies module, We had to alter the module a touch as some quests share the same chance to be issued (ugh it's hard to describe)   IE- Glob, Son of Glop and The Crystal/Dragon quest should not be issued on the same cycle. 

-WKJezz
Moderator

Jiyambi's picture

Yep! I was almost done with

Yep! I was almost done with this but had to head out for the holiday family visit. I'm back and should be getting this done within the week, with my initial daily guide (just one, I'm going to leave most of these for other folks to write and just concentrate on the addon programming itself)

Download Problem

Umm well basically the addon in game is telling me to download the full version of the guides. It was working the day before with the new cata guides and I have downloaded it multiple times to different folders to try to get it working. I don't know what the problem is. Love the guides. Please help.

Fixed

I just deleted everything that had Wowpro in my computer, redownloaded the addon and it works. I'll just do that again if it happens again

Can we get a new tag?

I believe the addon should have a new tag that is conceptually something like NOT PRE.  Basically it would mean if you have done one of these quests (or have it in your quest list) you will not be given the option of getting this one.  For example, with the Hero's Call quests taken there are quests that can no longer be gotten.

Jiyambi's picture

This exists and just needs to

This exists and just needs to be used more, it's called LEAD. You use it like so: |LEAD|9999| where 9999 is the quest ID of the quest that causes this one to no longer be available.

I know that's sort of confusing, if you need more explanation let me know. We're slowly working to make sure these are all covered appropriately in the guides, they are somewhat hard to investigate the first time through as you might imagine.