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I am sure you are hearing a lot of horror stories about the new realms of healing in the upcoming patch, and may be worried about how your favorite class, the Holy Paladin, is going to be effected. In truth, so was I.

Fear not however, as Holy Paladin are still going to be a very competent and a much more well rounded healing class.

There are some things you need to know, however, and I will be going over these spells and talents with you in this guide, and offering my insight as I see it.

Before we get going I want to thank ranran90 for the pre 4.0.1 Holy Paladin Guide and I will most likely quote from that guide in certain places; fear not, credit will be given as I do so.

Table of Contents

  1. Holy Spells and Abilities
  2. Talents - Coming Soon
  3. Glyphs - Coming Soon

Spells and Abilities
As you may by now be aware, we only have 35 talent points as a level 80 character, and we get bonus talents and spells dictated by how many points we spend in a particular talent tree. Some of our spells are changed considerably. To make these changes more eye-catching I will color code the text to help point out the following:

Red - Totally new
Orange - Major Change
Green - Minor Change
Black - No Change
Blue - Change Tracker; Ways I see the spells as being changed.
Purple - Theory crafting; Ways / Situations I see a spell being used

(TT) indicates the spell is earned by spending points in a specific talent .

The following spells are ones obtained only through the Holy tree. There are many other spells that come from other talent trees.

  1. Aura Mastery
  2. Beacon of Light
  3. Cleanse
  4. Concentration Aura
  5. Divine Favor
  6. Divine Light
  7. Divine Plea
  8. Exorcism
  9. Flash and Holy Light
  10. Holy Shock
  11. Holy Wrath
  12. Light of Dawn
  13. Lay on Hands
  14. Meditation
  15. Redemption
  16. Seal of Insight
  17. Turn Evil
  18. Walk in the Light
  19. Word of Glory
  20. Illuminated Healing
  21. Holy Radiance

Aura Mastery (TT) - Instant Cast; 2 minute Cool down
Causes your Concentration Aura to make all affected targets immune to Silence and Interrupt effects and improve the effects of all other aura by 100% for 6 seconds

Beacon of Light (TT) - Instant Cast; 60yd range

The target becomes a Beacon of Light to all members of your raid or party within a 60 yard radius. Each heal you cast on party members will also heal the Beacon for 50% of the amount healed. Only one target can be the Beacon of Light at a time. Lasts for 1.50 min.

The beacon only receives 50% healing now instead of 100%; this may significantly reduce our over healing. We may now also find ourselves directly healing the BOL; which sounds dumb, but with talent points, will generate the all new Holy Power.

Cleanse - Instant Cast; 40yd range

Cleanses a friendly target, removing 1 Poison effect and 1 Disease effect.

Cleanse and Purify have been combined to one spell. With talents, this will also be able to purge a Magic Effect also. I will do some research as if one cleanse will remove all debuffs at the same time, or if you have to cast the spell multiple times to remove multiple debuffs. My hope is this is not the case, if so we are spending a lot of global cool downs in a debuff intense fight.

Concentration Aura
All party or raid members within 40 yards lose 35% less casting or channeling time when damaged. Players may only have one Aura on them per Paladin at any one time.

Divine Favor (TT); Instant Cast; 3 Minute Cool down
Increases your spell casting haste by 20% and spell critical chance by 20% for 20 sec.

This replaces Divine Illumination. Divine Illumination reduced mana consumption by 50%. Now it seems we have a mini Heroism/Bloodlust all to ourselves. If this ability is popped at the same time as Heroism/Bloodlust I can imagine the effects will be violent Smiling

Divine Light; 40 yd range, 3 sec cast; 30% of base mana
A large heal that heals a friendly target. Good for periods of heavy damage.

This is a new direct heal that in my opinion replaces Holy Light as we know it now. It casts the same speed, it heals for about the same amount; so basically, this is out new big heal. (30% of your base mana, is basically the mana you would have if you was wearing no gear at all.)

Divine Plea - Instant Cast; 2min Cool down
You gain 10% of your total mana over 15 sec, but the amount healed by your healing spells is reduced by 50%.

They have slashed the mana regeneration again. Now it is only 10%. However with Glyphs this is increased to 15% By the looks of Divine Favor, you will almost certainly want to pop this at the same time as Divine Plea or during times of softer damage.


Exorcism - 30% of base mana, 30 yd range, 1.5 sec cast

Causes Holy damage to an enemy target. If the target is Undead or Demon, it will always critically hit.


Flash of Light & Holy Light

Flash of Light - 27% of base mana, 40 yd range, 1.5 sec cast
A quick, expensive heal that heals a friendly target for a modest amount.

Holy Light - 9% of base mana, 40 yd range, 3 sec cast
Heals a friendly target for a smaller amount.

Basically our two core skills are now totally changed.

So flash is a fast strong heal consuming a good amount of mana, and Holy Light is a small heal, very low mana cost, and slower. I have been thinking about this long and hard, because I was thinking, With Devine Light what possible use is a slow soft heal when we have Divine Light and Flash of Light. After really discussing this; Holy Light will be the top up spell which is greatly impacted by haste. So come Cataclysm I think Paladins will ultimately put a lot of stock into haste to use Holy light, in a similar way to who we currently use flash of light. What i think blizzard tried to do is to get rid of the spam flash mentality that some people have fallen into. We can no longer heal a nice fast soft heal made good by a ton of crit. I hope this provokes a lot of discussion in the comments.

In the general order of our direct cast heals:
Divine Light = Strongest heal, Slow and Mana Hungry (30% Base Mana)
Good For Spike Damage on multiple targets when used in conjunction with Beacon of Light


Flash of Light = Moderate heal, Fast and Mana Hungry (27% Base Mana)
Clutch heal for Spike Damage on a direct target. The benefits of this spell transferred onto your Beacon of Light target are good, but I would possibly use this spell to directly heal the beacon target (yes, actually placing a direct heal onto someone with beacon) in quick succession to generate quick charges of Holy Power.

Holy Light = Weaker heal, Slow (same as Divine Light) and Mana Generous (9% Base Mana)
Heal used for topping off raid members or tanks in periods of predictable and/or soft damage. It can be good in conjunction with Beacon of Light, IF the Beacon target is NOT your primary heal target. This heal may also be a great heal to use when under the effects of Heroism/Bloodlust, and/or Divine Favor, however not when using Divine Plea.


Holy Shock - 8% of base mana, 20(enemy)/40(friendly) yd range, Instant cast, 6 sec Cool down

Blasts the target with Holy energy, causing Holy damage to an enemy, or healing to an ally, and grants a charge of Holy Power.

This is a primary skill (tier 1) This spell is HEAVILY effected by a passive talent called Daybreak. In addition to that, you can also spec into a talent called Speed of Light and Infusion of Light, which Holy Shock will directly affect.

Holy Wrath - 20% of base mana, Instant cast, 15 sec Cool down
Sends bolts of holy power in all directions, causing Holy damage divided among all targets within 10 yds and stunning all Demons and Undead for 3 sec.

Light of Dawn (TT) - 21% of base mana, Instant cast, 30 sec Cool down
Send a wave of healing energy before you, healing yourself and all friendly targets up to 30 yards away for a smaller amount

This is an area of effect heal that heals for a little bit less than a holy shock.

Lay on Hands - 40 yd range, Instant, 10 min Cool down
Heals a friendly target for an amount equal to the Paladin's maximum health and restores some of their mana. If used on self, the Paladin cannot be targeted by Divine Shield, Divine Protection, Hand of Protection, or self-targeted Lay on Hands again for 2 min.

Meditation - Passive
Allows 50% of your mana regeneration from Spirit to continue while in combat.

This is what is known as a primary skill (tier 3). Issued when you spend X amount of talent points in the holy tree. We now use spirit as paladins in place of MP5

Redemption - 64% of base mana, 30 yd range, 10 sec cast
Brings a dead ally back to life with 35% of maximum health and mana. Cannot be cast when in combat.

Seal of Insight - 14% of base mana, Instant cast
Fills the Paladin with divine power for 30 min, giving each single-target melee attack a chance to heal the Paladin and restore 4% of the paladin's base mana. Only one Seal can be active on the Paladin at any one time.
Unleashing this Seal's energy will deal Holy damage to an enemy.

Seal of Light and Wisdom as we know it, have now been replaced and combined into Seal of Insight

Turn Evil - 9% of base mana, 20 yd range, 1.5 sec cast
The targeted undead or demon enemy will be compelled to flee for up to 20 sec. Damage caused may interrupt the effect. Only one target can be turned at a time.

Walk in the Light - Passive
Increases the effectiveness of your healing spells by 10%.

This is no longer an ability you gain from directly spending a talent point. This is a primary skill that is earned upon spending X amount of talent points in the holy tree (tier 2)

Word of Glory - Instant; 40yard range; 1,2,3 Holy Power
Heals a friendly target for (a little less than holy shock) multiplied by the amount of Holy power charged.

This is a nice instant heal which is mana free. You basically have another instant heal, that can heal for the same amount as a Holy shock multiplied by the amount of charges (up to 3) of holy power you have.

Mastery - Illuminated Healing - Passive
Your healing spells also place an absorb shield on your target for a percentage of the amount healed lasting 6 sec. Each point of Mastery increases the absorb amount by an additional 1%

All heals will now also generate an absorb to replace the Sacred Shield, which is now gone. Mastery is a new statistic which is on gear which can be reforged (reduce a stat (Haste, Critical, Spirit) by 40% and swap it with another stat) From what I can tell you have mastery in a numerical form, but 400 master does not mean you place a 400% absorb shield. Mastery scales to a %, much like defense, hit rating, haste etc. and it is that % what constitutes as a point.

Holy Radiance (Cataclysm - Level 83: 40% of base mana, Instant cast, 1 min cool down)
Heals all friendly targets within 10 yards for a small amount every sec. Lasts 10 sec.

This by far has got to be one of the most exciting spells for a Holy Paladin. A raid-wide heal over time. The only drawback I see is that it requires the group to be in a 10 yard radius. To me this spell seems very much like a Druid's Tranquility

Talents
By now you have probably heard me mention passive tier abilities based on how many talent points you invest in your tree. And that means now more than ever we have a bunch of talents that causes proc effects. This will change the way we heal as Paladins in both pve and pve. Come patch Tuesday, undoubtedly one of the first things you will see is "Your talents have been reset" Read on for an idea of what you are going to be faced with.

The Primary Skills

As previously mentioned you will gain 4 abilities in the holy tree, just for investing points in the tree itself. These are Primary talents which Blizzard fell are a must have for someone within that talent tree. Here is how it works. When you see the screen above, click on the "View Talent Tree" button. This will bring your talent tree up in a more traditional presentation.

Line One:

On the first line we have talents we can choose from:

A. Arbiter of the Light
Increases the critical effect chance of your Judgment and Templar's Verdict by 6%/12%

You can place 2 talent points here, obviously one increases the effect by 6%, the other by 12%. This seems to me that this effect is more geared toward PVP than anything else. As you will discover; Paladins in PVP have a lot more tools at their disposal encouraging them to do far more than just sit back and heal. Having talent points here may also be a great idea for leveling your paladin to 85 if you wish to level as Holy.

B. Protector of the Innocent
Casting any heal on a target including yourself, will grant a heal on yourself

This is like a mini beacon of light, but passive. Very self explanatory, but again, to me seems purely a PVP talent. This talent may have an advantage if Cataclysm contains raids where everyone takes regular ticking damage.

C. Judgment of the Pure
Your Judgment increases your casting and melee haste by 3%/6%/9% for 1 min.

Three talent points here and should be an essential choice for both PVP and PVE healers. Works much in the same way Judgment of the Pure does now.

To activate the 2nd line we HAVE to spend 5 points in the first line of the Holy tree. In my View of PVE healing, I have selected 3 points in Judgment of the Pure, and 2 in Protector of the Innocent.

Line Two:

On the second line we have talents we can choose from:
A. Clarity of Purpose
Reduces the casting time of your Holy Light and Divine Light spells by 0.15/0.35/0.5 sec.

You can place 3 talent points here, obviously one increases the effect by 0.15s, the other by 0.35s and the third 0.5s. As I mentioned earlier haste is becoming a huge part of the way we heal, and this talent provides faster casting times of two of our castable healing spells. This talent will be good for both PVE and PVP

B. Last Word
Gives your Word of Glory a 30%/60% increased critical chance when used on targets with 35% or less health.

2 Points here, you are going to be encouraged to use this on dying targets for a last ditch heal. I can see this talent having place in both PVE and PVP but I lean towards PVP more.

C. Blazing Light
Increases the damage of your Holy Shock and Exorcism by 10%/20%.

Two points here, and a definite PVP and leveling talent

To activate the 3rd line we HAVE to spend 5 points in the second line of the Holy tree. In my View of PVE healing, I have selected 3 points in Clarity of Purpose, and 2 in Last word.

Line Three:

On the third line we have talents we can choose from:
A. Denounce
Reduces the mana cost of Exorcism by 38%/75%. In addition, you have a 25%/50% chance when casting Holy Shock to make your next Exorcism spell instant and cost no mana.

You can place 2 talent points here. This talent will be good for both PVP and leveling as Holy

B. Divine Favor
Increases your spell casting haste by 20% and spell critical chance by 20% for 20 sec.

1 Points here, you are going to be encouraged to use this when in intense healing situations, or to help counteract the diminished healing effect of divine plea. I can see this talent having place PVE and PVP battlegrounds, but is see it as essential PVE more.

C. Infusion of Light (dependency of Speed of Light)
Your Holy Shock critical hits reduce the cast time of your next Holy Light by 0.75/1.5 sec.

Two points here, and an all round must have for PVE, PVP and leveling talent. This also must be chosen if you wish to use Speed of Light.

D. Daybreak
Your Flash of Light, Holy Light and Divine Light have a 10%/20% chance to make your next Holy Shock not trigger a cool down if used within 12 sec.

You can place 2 talent points here. This talent provides more instant heal potentials. This talent will be good for both PVE and PVP healing. Chain Abilities (those which trigger the need to use a 2nd spell to be 100% effective) now include an alert/screen flash. Below is an example of a Daybreak proc. As you can see, the golden angelic wings let you know when this effect is active. It will stay on the screen until you either complete the chain ability, or the 12s expire

To activate the 4th line we HAVE to spend 5 points in the 3rd line of the Holy tree. In my View of PVE healing, I have selected 1 points in Devin Favor 2 in Infusion of Light, and 2 in Daybreak.

Line Four:

On the fourth line we have four talents we can choose from:

A. Enlightened Judgments
Grants hit rating equal to 50%/100% of any Spirit gained from items or effects, and increases the range of your Judgment by 10 yards. In addition your Judgment instantly heals you for a small/medium amount.

You can place 2 talent points here. This talent excellent for PVP and leveling as Holy. Personally this is something I would omit from a PVE healing build.

B. Beacon of Light (dependency of Tower of Radiance)

This is explained in more depth in the Spell section, however a quick note is that it heals holder of Beacon for 50% instead of 100%. Also directly healing your beacon generates Holy power. More because of the talent this unlocks this is a must have talent.

C. Speed of Light (dependant of Infusion of Light)
Casting Holy Shock grants 5%/10%/30% spell haste for your next Flash of Light, Holy Light or Divine Light, and casting Holy Radiance grants you 10%/20%/60% movement speed for 4 sec. Also lowers the cool down on Holy Radiance by 10/20/30 sec at all times.
Three points here, and an all round must have for PVE, PVP and leveling talent. This is a power talent and does a massive amount for a player in all arenas of play. To spec this talent you must also chose infusion of Light.

D. Sacred Cleansing
Your Cleanse spell now also dispels 1 Magic effect.

You can place 1 talent points here. This talent is very powerful and has great potential in PVE and PVP healing.

To activate the 5th line we HAVE to spend 5 points in the 4th line of the Holy tree. In my View of PVE healing, I have selected 1 points in Beacon of Light 3 in Speed of Light, and 1 in Sacred Cleansing.

Line Five:

On the fifth line we have three talents we can choose from:
A. Conviction
Gives you a 1%/2%/3% bonus to damage and healing for 15 sec after causing a critical effect from a weapon swing, spell, or ability. This effect stacks up to 3 times.

You can place 3 talent points here. This talent excellent for PVP, PVE and leveling as Holy. This proc is amazing and speaks for itself. You can have up to 9% bonus healing if you crit 3 times in quick succession. This will add a major boost when using Divine Favor and Under the effects of Bloodlust/Heroism. It is also a great proc to have running in the times you need to use Divine Plea

B. Aura Mastery

This is explained in more depth in the Spell section. This talent remains unchanged in 4.0.1

C. Paragon of Virtue
Reduces the cool down of your Devine Protection by 10/20sec and the cool down of your Avenging Wrath by 30/60sec.

Two points here, and an all round good talent for PVE, PVP and leveling talent. Reduced timers on clutch cool downs are always a good thing.

To activate the 6th line we HAVE to spend 5 points in the 5th line of the Holy tree. In my View of PVE healing, I have selected 6 points this tier, maxing out all talents.

Line Six:

On the sixth line we have two talents we can choose from:
A. Tower of Radiance (dependant on Beacon of Light)
Healing the target of your Beacon of Light with Flash of Light, Holy Light or Divine Light has a 33%/66%/100% chance to generate a charge of Holy Power.

You can place 3 talent points here. This talent excellent for PVP, PVE and leveling as Holy. The generation of Holy power allows you to use mana free abilities

B. Blessed Life
You have a 50%/100% chance to gain a charge of Holy Power whenever you take direct damage. This effect cannot occur more than once every 2 seconds.

You can place 2 talent points here. This talent excellent for PVP and leveling as Holy. In PVE I do not think it will be as common to reap the rewards from the talent, but the generation of Holy power allows you to use mana free abilities

To activate the 7th line we HAVE to spend at least 30 points in the Holy tree. In my View of PVE healing, I have selected 3 points in Tower of Radiance, and Two in Blessed Life. If I find myself taking little direct damage, I may respec 2 points into Enlightened Judgments for the extra distance on Judgment.

Line Seven:

On the last line we have one talent:

Light of Dawn
Send a wave of healing energy before you, healing yourself and all friendly targets up to 30 yards away for small amount.

This is one of the kinds of heals that Paladins have not yet fully enjoyed. An AOE heal. This talent is probably going to benefit PVE healing more so than anything, but for an Instant cast, it's certainly no small contender in PVP either.

As you can see, we have 6 remaining unspent talent points. Once you have specced on the 7th line of Holy, you can start using points in other trees. And there are some talents in the other trees you should seek. The first is in the Protection Tree.

For our supplemental talent points; I suggest:
A. Divinity - Protection Tree
Increases all healing done by you and all healing effects on you by 2%/4%/6%.

You can place 3 talent points here. This talent excellent for PVP and PVE healing. As a passive ability, I find this essential and am sad they did not keep this Talent in Holy, as was originally proposed.

B. Eternal Glory - Protection Tree
Your word of Glory has a 15/30% chance not to consume holy power.

This is more for PVP Damage and Leveling, as PVE healers only get one spell that consumes Holy power. As that spell is on a cool down longer than the life of Holy power, PVE healers do not want this at level 80.

C. Crusade - Protection Tree
Increases the damage of your Crusader Strike, Hammer of the Righteous and Templar's Verdict by 10/20/30% and the damage and healing of your Holy Shock by 10/20/30%

At 80 I would suggest PVE healers put 1 points here, seems as Holy Shock assisted by Daybreak is a very tasty spell to use, having 20% extra to a double barreled Holy Shock will be very nice for healing. It wont be that bad for PVP healing or Holy DPS either.

So as a good solid build for PVE healing between patch day and Cataclysm, here is what I recommend;

Once you choose your talents, be sure to hit the "Learn" as this will lock your points in. A much called for feature of 4.0.1 is error proof talent trees. You can left click to add a talent, and right click to remove a talent. Once you hit "Learn" it locks your choice in. Word of warning; it cost me 52g to respec a locked talent tree in 4.0.1 PTR; so be very clear on your tree before you lock it.

Glyphs. The Glyph system has been changed. When you open your talent tree you will notice a tap that says "Glyph" upon clicking the button you will see something like this:

Comments

kayeich's picture

Changes in cata beta

Not sure if you've seen it yet, but Light of Dawn is going to be changing, according to MMO-champ regarding latest beta build. Hopefully we'll see that change hit live before Cata.

When it hits live, my previous comment on Light of Dawn will become obsolete. Since it will now depend on holy power and has no cooldown, it should no longer sucks... It'll actually be pretty darn good and feels like the capstone it should be.

What made it hard to use was the 30 second cooldown, it made it unreliable and too situational. Having it as a holy power dump button alternative to Word of Glory means you can use it almost on demand, picking between its AoE healing utility or Word of Glory's single target.

They still need to change the animation on it though, it still looks like it has a much smaller area than it really does.

Thanks so Much!!!

Thanks for all the time and effort on this, wkjezz. I would be completely lost without it. All the feedback from forum subscribers has also been priceless!! Smiling

wkjezz's picture

NP

it's my hope I can expand upon this soon, I have a lot im working on right now inside and outside Wow-pro

-WKJezz
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Jiyambi's picture

Images too large

wkjezz, your two images of the talent window are breaking the layout of the site on my monitor's resolution. It's not a wide screen but it's large enough that I'd suggest you shrinking the images so the guide display's nicely on similar monitors Smiling

Also - having an up to date class guide = win!

wkjezz's picture

Will do this when I get home

Will do this when I get home this weekend

-WKJezz
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Jiyambi's picture

No hurry

No hurry Smiling It's a pretty minor thing, just wanted to let you know.

kayeich's picture

Okay, thoughts after raiding

Okay, so thoughts after raiding through ICC as a holy paladin, take as you will:
1) 10 yard judgements are a pain, and it's hard to keep the haste buff some times. You also heal your beacon target (assuming it's the tank) often enough that getting holy power is -not- an issue.

As a result, I would highly recommend switching Blessed Life for Enlightened Judgements, or putting points into Improved Judgement instead of Crusade. I would prefer taking a point from Paragon of Virtue though, rather than from Crusade.

At level 85, you'll definitely have 2/2 Improved Judgements as you go for Pursuit of Justice, but at level 80, it's tricky to get 30+ yard judgements. See if you can live with 20 yard, easily doable by switching points from Blessed Life to Enlightened Judgements. The important thing is being able to keep that 9% haste buff up.

2) Light of Dawn... sucks. There's opportunities to use it, sure, but timing/raid placement/etc just made it hard to use when I wanted to, and when I could use it easily, it wouldn't do much.
-Marrowgar you can use during bonestorm...once (lasts 20 seconds, CD is 30 seconds). Assuming he dies by the second bonestorm, you've used it twice in the fight. Woohoo?
-Lady Deathwhisper is chaotic and you don't have people clumped because of ghosts. You really won't get to use it.
-Lootship...is lootship. i guess you could use it, but do you need to?
-Saurfang, it's not bad to use if marks are in melee and you're clumped with melee (we usually put healers with melee/tanks), or if the blood crap is on a bunch of melee. But a shaman does this better...
-Stinky/Precious! Not real bosses, but good for decimate and Stinky's aoe.
-Festergut, unless you're clumped with melee (and you won't be if you're doing 25-man heroic) it sucks. If you do happen to be there, it might actually be pretty good. If you're in range though, you're going to be away from enough other people because you don't want to spread vile gas.
-Rotface, well, if people are getting hit with slime spray I guess it's good for an aoe heal since most people are clumped? I didn't really need to use it here...
-Putricide, not bad while you're jumping his disease in melee. It's also great during phase 3. Though again, that 30-second cooldown -kills- me. I want to use it but I just -can't-. Argh!
-Council, too spread because of vortexes usually.
-Blood Queen... a very good fight for it actually. I used it every time it was off CD on melee/tanks.
-Valithria...ahahahahaha, no. Just no.
-Sindragosa...I can't really say. I didn't risk using it during phase 3 even though that's when we take aoe frost damage, and just kept focusing on tanks/ignoring raid. It probably could be used fine, but I wanted to play it safe and just finish the raid already.
-Lich King, okay, Light of Dawn isn't bad here, there's a lot of both aoe damage -and- clumping that makes this a good spell. Infest was such a joke.

Still annoys me that our supposed capstone spell is so...situational.

3) You're pretty much going to be casting holy shock every time it's up, otherwise you're casting Divine Light (you won't keep a beaconed tank up with holy light, trust me, the splatter he makes as he explodes isn't pretty). Word of Glory on whomever needs it most if you have three stacks of holy power up, and use holy light only if Infusion of Light procs or you're in a low damage phase. If Divine Light is using up too much of your mana too fast, you may want to reforge something to spirit (crit sucks, hahaha), but you can mix in some more holy lights in place of divine light. Don't treat holy light as your main heal though, tanks aren't going to live.

4) A thing to note about Daybreak...it doesn't reset Holy Shock or let you use it if it's on cooldown. I don't know if anybody else thought this too or if it was just me, but I was expecting that when it procs, I'd be able to use Holy Shock immediately.

You can't, actually.

Instead, what it does is that once it -does- come off cooldown, you'll be able to cast it twice. Once eating the daybreak proc, and once eating the cooldown.

Don't cast one immediately after the other though! Remember that Holy Shock reduces the cast time of Divine Light and Holy Light. So cast HS->DL->HS->DL. Obviously, if Infusion of Light procced, cast Holy Light instead of Divine Light.

5) For all that cataclysm promises us that we're not going to be tank-only healers...we still kind of are. As mentioned, Light of Dawn is just not cutting it as a raid healing spell, and we don't have Holy Radiance yet...and when we get it, it has a 1 minute cooldown. Your best way to heal in a raid is to beacon the off-tank, and heal the main tank with Divine Light. If the tanks are topped off, you can help heal the raid, particularly if you can time a good use of Light of Dawn (so very situational that it makes me cry!), or some flash of lights. Tanks still ping-pong in health a fair bit though, so I don't know how safe you'd feel doing so.

6) All these proc-based healing crap is driving me nuts. Not only do I have to keep track of 24 other people's health, I need to keep track of holy power for WoG, holy shock coming off cooldown, -and- Daybreak/Infusion of Light procs to see if I'm casting holy light or whatever? Aigggh! MADNESS!

wkjezz's picture

over the next few days i

over the next few days i will make some mods to this guide to reflect your experience, i really do appreciate your feedback

-WKJezz
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kayeich's picture

No problem! I like holy

No problem! I like holy paladins, and they've changed significantly so having a guide out there is nice. Obviously, I'm also still learning the ropes, and trying to get used to the genius behind the madness (or at least one hopes there is some genius behind it). My limited experience is also currently limited to a bit of instances/heroics and one ICC-25 raid as a tank healer.

You've obviously stated you've done funnel healing to raid heal, so raid healing is apparently possible even if my experience makes it hard to see.

But in the raid I did, we generally embraced our old roles, so if I didn't focus on tanks, tanks would die, and if I tried to do any raid healing, I'd tend to overheal for a lot. Perhaps it's just a matter of being assigned to raid heal in the first place.

kayeich's picture

Nice guide so far

I'm still trying to figure out my paladin's role with the changes, so this is nice to see, and I hope to see it develop more.

One thing I would note is that you don't mention Blessings at all. It's worth noting that Blessing of Kings now only gives +5% to attributes, and gives some resistance bonuses. Blessing of Might meanwhile not only gives 10% attack bonus, but 92mp5.

As such, I also think that Glyph of Blessing of Might is a perfectly valid minor glyph (I actually prefer Might to Kings).

You might also want to note which 9 glyphs you'd pick from that bunch, even if it's still helpful to list options. My own personal preference right now:
Prime
-Holy Shock (this is our big spell now, we use it whenever it's off cooldown, so improving it is a duh)
-Seal of Insight (same thing, we're always using this and we want better heals)
-and Word of Glory (this one was debatable. I like it more than Divine Favor simply because I feel I'll use it more)
Major
-Divine Plea (It only gives 10% mana otherwise. 15% is just that much more desirable. It's the only major I think that's an absolute must-have)
-Divinity (mana is a more important thing, especially if you want to be able to cast a lot of Divine Light spells, which you probably will if you continue as a tank healer)
-Beacon of Light (it's not as important as it used to be, but I still like this. I still say only Divine Plea is absolutely a must though)
Minor
-Blessing of Might (interchangeable with the Kings one, depending on which you favor. I'd rather have the 92mp5 than more intellect at my gear level, personally, so I like Might)
-Lay on Hands (no better option, still good though)
-Insight (no better option, still good though)

Talent-wise, I grabbed the same spec pretty much, although I put one extra point in Crusade to improve Holy Shock, rather than Paragon of Virtue. I just feel that I'd rather have that 10% more healing from one of my main healing tools, personally.

You haven't covered stats weights yet, but I'd at least note that right now reforging to mastery isn't a good idea. Hopefully mastery will be a better stat at 85, but right now at 80, it doesn't seem to be worth reforging towards.

I tried to do so with extra crit (given crit is the least important stat of what we have right now, it's pretty easy to get Conviction to 3 stacks, and the only other benefit is for Infusion of Light proccing), and found that the mastery bubble didn't improve significantly. You're better off either leaving it as is if you're going to focus on healing through holy light, or reforging it to spirit or haste if you're going to focus on divine light.

My current reforging set-up: crit->spirit where I don't have spirit, crit->haste otherwise, and if I can't do either, I leave it alone. I don't have anything reforged anything to mastery.

I may prefer not having crit->spirit, as I don't think I'm hurting for mana much, but we'll see how it goes in a raid environment tomorrow.

wkjezz's picture

Well...

Seems as glyphs are now perma learnt, each different kind of encounter may invoke different use of glyphs, which is why i didnt really want to zero in on specifics; learn the bulk of the red ones, carry some vanishing powder and flip flop the glyphs (i love this new glyph system so much)

As for the blessings; I will do a revision soon, thanks for the tip.

I am still testing out the stats because I really want to test the dynamics of 85 end game before giving a definitive suggestion. I don't like our mastery much either, but I am actually thinking haste is going to be more paramount with a delicious amount of spirit; i had a lot of crit on my gear in april, and shamans, and druids were getting heals in faster and my heals were critting into a lot of overheal. When I bumped my haste up though, my over healing dropped about 8-17% and my effective healing countered that; however, my role wasnt a mirror tank healer (Beacon on tank, heal the other) my roll was a "Funnel Healer" beacon the main tank, heal the raid.

Great feed back, thank you

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kayeich's picture

Yeah, that's true that we

Yeah, that's true that we can just reglyph with the vanishing powder. In general, I don't see a situation where we might replace glyph of divine plea, seal of insight, or holy shock, though, so I figured I'd at least highlight a mention for those. And you probably wouln't be switching between Blessing of Kings/Might minor, probably either, nor the other minors just from lack of options.

A question: Are you aiming this guide for 85 specifically, or for the current level 80 patch until cataclysm hits? It sounds like you're more interested in the lv 85 part from the comment, and I don't know how different things will be at 85, since we'll at least have two more spells in our arsenal by then, Holy Radiance & Guardian of Ancient Kings, so healing priorities might change.

I'd actually be more interested in the level 80 side of things, although being prepared for 85 will certainly help.

wkjezz's picture

I am a great fan

It is my ultimate aim to evolve the guide into an 85 guide, though I may archive this one and make a 2nd edition as time permits.

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Skumball's picture

Adapt and change dude, the

Adapt and change dude, the guide is a great insight into lvl80 paystyle and a great basis for lvl 85...

New gear? 3 new spells globally per class? In all honesty dude this is top notch and all it would need is a small update each patch if there's any palla changes! Awesome guide is awesome! And I hope you don't mind but I shall be stealing some idea's and basic layout stuff for my Warrior guides... Why improve on awesomeness after all Smiling

-Skum

Ferari's picture

Talent points

Quote:
As you can see, we have 6 remaining unspent talent points. Once you have specced on the 7th line...

By that time you have 4 points

wkjezz's picture

thanks

fixed

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Jiyambi's picture

Really excellent guide!

Really excellent guide! Also, your glyph diagram made me literally lol. Thank you for that. Laughing out loud

Now I need to get my butt in gear and update my tree (or not so much tree, these days) guide!

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Talent Trees Added

Talent Trees Added

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Glyphs Updated

And Phase One of the guide is complete

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