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WoW-Pro is pleased to present it's brand new, custom coded addon! In the future this addon will be able to bring all of our awesome guides into the game, but for now it is only compatible with leveling guides.

The addon is designed to provide easy, streamlined questing and leveling in a completely customizable package.

More details about the new addon and awesome screenshots after the break.


You can download our addon from:


The WoW-Pro addon currently REQUIRES TomTom (download here) in order to work properly.

INTERIM USE ONLY: Our addon will now pull coordinates from Lightheaded if none are provided. All coordinates WILL be provided in the future.


Automatic detection of objective completion:

  • Detect quest accept, completion and turn-in
  • Detect travel (in any form)
  • Detection of flight point discovery
  • Detection of Hearth point change
  • Conditionals based on player's class, race, completed quests, and item possession

Completely customizable frame:

  • Size can be changed to display many steps or only one
  • Step explanations can be displayed always or only show on hover over
  • Text can be customized: font, color, and size can be changed
  • Spacing and padding of the guide window can be customized.
  • Border and background texture can be changed or removed
  • Background color can be changed
  • Titlebar displaying zone and progress can be removed

Other awesome features:

  • Integrated quest tracker (can be disabled if desired)
  • Integrated quest item buttons
  • Easily accessed view of entire guide
  • Sortable guide lists
  • Automatic mapping of coordinates with TomTom
  • LDB quick open/close button
  • Profile management for display settings
  • Supports step skipping (the guide knows the difference between a skipped step and a completed step)

The Guide Window

Minimalist View w/ Mouse-over Notes

Dropdown Menu

Sort-able Guide List

Current Version: 1.7.0

NOTE: This addon is still in a heavy development stage. It is recommended that you delete the WoWPro.lua file in your WTF folder when upgrading to the new version. However, this will result in the loss of manually checked off guide progress and display settings.

New Features

  • Several guide files have been updated
  • Keybindings added!
  • Custom print function tells you when it’s our addon talking to you

Bug Fixes:

  • Serious crash issue related to quest items fixed!
  • Issue related to getting quest objectives fixed
  • Issue related to getting quest entries from the log fixed
  • Taint issues introduced by checking party members fixed
  • Addon now checks if item exists before attempting to set it as a use item.

Known Issues:

  • Unable to check off item - the step probably doesn't have a QID, which means it's a mistake in the guide file. There are sadly still a lot of these around. Try right-clicking the check box, or listing it as sticky. We'll fix these as they find them but we have to be focused more on Cataclysm guides right now. Sorry!
  • Profession Quest Error: Profession-specific quests currently cause the guide to throw an error, because of the changes to the profession window. Will be fixed in the next version!
  • Occasional crash/DC - the addon is causing occasional crashes and DCs. We are working to find the source of this issue - please report any occurrences of this so we can determine the problem! It may have to do with conflicting addons, so if you do experience this problem, try disabling other addons and see if that allows you to continue.

How To Help:

If you'd like to help code, update, or test guide files, head over to our How To Contribute page on gitthub!

Though this addon is now in it's release stage, it's still new. There may be bugs. The best place to report them is on github, but I will respond here as often as I can. Thanks!

Possible Future Features:

  1. Animation for checking off steps (a check mark appears, old quest fades out, other quests move up).
  2. Either integration of the arrow, or permission from TomTom's author to redistribute their addon, maintaining the author's name and the addon's original name (basically leaving the addon untouched).
  3. Support for area vs. patrol vs. player run path type coordinates.
  4. Auto-load a guide based on level
  5. A separate "shopping list" frame which can be opened with a button on the title bar, used for a couple things in the leveling guide but which will get the most use for profession guides.
  6. Improved logic/display for multi-objective steps. Not exactly sure how this would work, but perhaps have "substeps" which are displayed together, and checked off as they are completed.

Possible Future Modules:

  • WoW-Pro Talents - Easy talent recommendations while leveling, for all specs. Possibly include rotation suggestions as well. For players jumping in partway through, it should be able to detect their current talent changes and adjust accordingly, or recommend a respec if the talents are too messed up. Talents should be prioritized to make sure people pick up the most vital ones. Recommendations of glyphs would also be nice.
  • WoW-Pro Dungeons - Guides to dungeons. Easy access while leveling, recommended dungeons for your level and gear. Include gear lists, etc. Step by step guides, preferably with pictures, includes boss kill strategies.
  • WoW-Pro Gold Making - Daily quests, gathering/farming circuits, perhaps even auctioneer advice.
  • WoW-Pro Reputation - Reputation guides created using the addon.
  • WoW-Pro Holiday - Holiday guides created using the addon.
  • WoW-Pro Achievements - Other achievement guides.
  • WoW-Pro Professions - Profession and tradeskill guides.

Possible Future Modules:
If I missed you or you think you should be included somewhere else on this list, please let me know! I'm very forgetful!

Lead Developer: Core and Leveling Module: Jiyambi

Lead Developer: Dungeon Module: Silvann

Development Team:

  • Gameldar
  • Gylin
  • Jiyambi
  • Silvann

Guide Writing:
  • Arixan
  • Bitsem
  • Gylin
  • Jame
  • Jiyambi
  • Kurich
  • Manovan
  • Snowflake
  • Svenn
Guide Coding:
  • Bitsem
  • Gameldar
  • Gylin
  • Jame
  • Jiyambi
  • Pretzl
  • Tarix
  • AyaJulia
  • evl
  • Mezput
  • moraller
  • tash
  • toobulkeh
  • Tuluven
  • Twists
  • Zidomo


The Jade ForestQuest is

The Jade Forest

Quest is titled "They Call Him... Stormstout" in the guide

It should be "His Name Was... Stormstout'

Prevents auto-accept, etc.

Alliance version, if there's a difference.

How do I Manage Experience in the addon?

The addon page says you can manage different experience aspects such as wearing Heirlooms, being with a recruit a friend character, etc; I havent been able to find anything on settigs, what do I do to change that?

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Rank settings

The rank setting is in the configuration panel (Rt click on the guide header and choose display settings)

I didn't use it since the quest lines arent as well known and I didnt really know what could be skipped yet.  It is however used in many of the older guides.

Emmaleah == bravely leading the way since ... um a long time ago... Smiling

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Jade Forest

Thanks for bringing this to my attention,  I suspect you have an older version of the guide, I just downloaded 2.3.4 to make sure and the correct quest is with the correct QID in the current version.  Those quests weren't available when the guide was originally written and apparently somehow the wrong quest name got but with the wrong QID, when it was added in. Jade Forest got a fair amount of attention and  this was fixed (along with several other things) with the most recent guide.  When reporting errors faction is definately important, so thank you for including it (and even on the neutral steps, it never hurts). 

As a general reminder to everyone, the necesary things when reporting an error is version of program, (it would be nice if you would make sure it is the most current too), Zone name, Faction, specific quest, general description of the problem.

Emmaleah == bravely leading the way since ... um a long time ago... Smiling

How to update

How do I update? If I renown load the addon do I just replace all of the current files? Will it save my progress?

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How to update

When you update (any addon) its a good idea to delete the old files and then extract the new files.  You don't normally need to clear cache or wtf files, but occasionally (for major restructuring/upgrades to the addon) the addon author tells you to.

Your progress is in a differant file (in the WTF directory) so updating the addon will have no effect as long as the guide has the same name. (which is almost always the case)  The only time I can think of that guides change names is when a major rewrite (such as changing the borean tundra guide to be lvl 68 friendly a month or so back) 

Updating the program does not reset your guides, but if new steps were added, the program only knows that you completed steps 1-20 and if will check off the first 20 things even if there is are new steps 5-10, so in actuallity you have done 1-4 and 11-25 it would still show you had done 1-20. I hope that made sense.  My point is that it may be off a step or two, but at this point not a lot of steps are being added or deleted, so it shouldn't be significant.  Most changes from here on out to the guides are to correct coordinates or add notes. 

If you choose 'reset the current guide', it will "lose" your progress, but it will auto fill in almost all of the quests that you have done, (A few quests blizzard doesnt track the same way, so they don't show as complete, so you have to check them off manually.  Also any notes, repairs, and run/fly to steps require manual check off if you reset. 

Emmaleah == bravely leading the way since ... um a long time ago... Smiling

Small bug in Kun-Lai Summit Guide

Loved the guide and addon - so very helpful (again! used this in cata and in leveling an alt)

In the Kun-Lai summit, step 273, the waypoint for Knucklethump Hole is incorrect (takes you far astray). Should be 50,64.

Thanks again for all the work on this project.




PS Your captcha system is ridiculous and probably will keep me from posting in the future. Too hard to get it have to do this for each post after a registration and log in is way overkill btw.

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Ludovicous:Can you fix

Ludovicous:Can you fix this...(like before you do the update today maybe even...) looks like a simple typo. should say 50.53,64.21 but instead says 30.53,64.21...

line 407 in my copy of the file.

Emmaleah == bravely leading the way since ... um a long time ago... Smiling

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Re: Small bug in Kun-Lai Summit Guide

Fixed, but I already made the cut.  It will be in the next cut.


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I hope to finish a next run thru Valley of the Four Winds and post it tomorrow.  I went thru and added what I felt to be a rediculous number of redundant comments, but if that is what people want, I will endevour to provide.

I have really appreciated Wow-pro guides for many years (I found them sometime in the Burning Crusades era) and am trying to do my part for the community.  While the original paper guides with maps were WONDERFUL, Tour guide (and now the WoW Pro original version) were such a step beyond.    I remember wondering how I could possibly do Zul'Drak (because at the time the guide wasn't available) and trying to make it myself as I went along. It was a mess and I never ended up submitting it. 

So you are right, these were my first guides written for others.  I had editted the tour guide ones to do my "own' thing.  Such as I had one for farming moongraze tenderloin and that other alliance only quest recipe (spider kabobs?)  I made a small fortune in the AH for awhile that way. 

anyway, my 2cents for the day.


Emmaleah == bravely leading the way since ... um a long time ago... Smiling

Valley guide

I just went thru the valley today (alliance side) and the guide was GREAT!  there are a few errors in waypoint locations, but in general it was awesome!!  I do happen to like the redundancy in the commentary - it helps when I'm playing at work and can't dedicate my brainpower to the game the way I should! :)

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Ludovicous, when I click on


when I click on>home. it brings up a page that shows 2.3.2 download as the first thing, and followed by a post about cataclysm guides and then 2.3.3  You probaly want to fix that :)

Emmaleah == bravely leading the way since ... um a long time ago... Smiling

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Re: Ludovicous, when I click on

Yeah, it said 2.3.2, but it downloaded 2.3.3 .

Sloppy editing on my part.


Having fun instead of trying to figure out where to go.  THANKS!

Quick question, just got to Kun Lai Summit and every quest I pick up give me the error "Zone [Kun} not found.  Using map id 862"

Is there something I can do to fix this?


Thanks again

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Kun error is because Kun-Lai

Kun error is because Kun-Lai has a hyphen in it.  I thought a fix was in, but maybe it didnt make it to the final version.  Basically, nothing that I know can be done (by me or you) but Ludovicous or Twists maybe can fix it.

Emmaleah == bravely leading the way since ... um a long time ago... Smiling

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Re: Kun error is because Kun-Lai

Oh!    There is a stupid patch to drop zone names with '-' or '()' in them for old guides which may no longer be needed and may be harmful.

I'll get rid of it.  I was looking at that code a fre days ago and wondering why it was still needed.

Going through on an alt

Going through on an alt again, and started with the Four Winds guide. So far, has been great. Only encountered one issue at this point. We are asked to get the quest "The Golden Dream" from Zhang Yue in the Pools of Purity. However, it wasn't appearing. She offered two other quests, but not this one. I skipped it and did "Ashyo's Vision" first instead. And THEN that quest was available. It looks like you must speak to Clever Ashyo and complete this quest by turning it in to Zhang Yue before you can access the quest "The Golden Dream" from Zhang Yue.

Also, as the previous poster mentioned, having a slight issue with the Tom Tom arrow. It keeps disappearing. Refreshing the guide seems to fix it, but then I have to go back and recheck the quests that I had already had to manually check off (btw: many of the steps do not automatically show as completed when done. I have had to manually check them off several times).

The only other thing I can suggest is to please put descriptions with the quests. Just a basic what it is we are trying to accomplish. Otherwise, I am having to read the quests and look up on other sites (at times) because though I know where I am going, I don't necessarily know what I'm doing once I'm there. Yes, usually reading the quest gives it to you, but the point behind the guide (to me) isn't just telling me where to go, but allowing me to do this most effectively and efficiently, which means not wasting time reading the quests. I do the reading of the quests and the following of the lore and storylines on my main. By the time I am doing alts, I am not interested in wasting time reading the quests :) So being able to save time with a brief explanation as has been done in the past would be great.

If you aren't sure what I am referring to, just look at your previous guides done by Jaime and the original group. You will see how detailed they were so that you knew what you were doing when you got there. It was very efficient and fast to use their guide to level. While your guides are useful, they aren't really any different from Tom Tom at this point. They tell me where to go, and that is it.

Just a suggestion :)

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more detail needed?

I've given a lot of thought to your posts and while I know there are places that more detail would be helpful (esspecially in getting to the various tombs in valley of the emporers, -I tried to make a path of green dots for it, but it doesnt really work, since it crosses over itself on a lower level) 

I prefer a minimalist approach to what addons show me (not a minimum number of addons. i probably use over 100) so, I probably am too brief in my explanations, but I was wondering, do you have the show quest objectives in wow-pro frame checked off in the wow pro display options pane?  It seems like a lot of quests there is nothing to say beyond what the objective is?  if you want to talk about this off the message board, pm me and lets see if we can come up with a balance of what is needed vs redundancy.  (or post here... I just fear that the captcha's here will drive us both nuts on a long conversation)

Emmaleah == bravely leading the way since ... um a long time ago... Smiling

wow pro problem

on world of warcraft mists of pandaria.Is wow pro not functioning right? 

 Meaning the green arrows and green dot on the map.                                                                                                          

 Followed the green arrow it led me the wrong way.                                                                                                              

 Its not like it was before the launch of wow mop.                                                                                                                    

 I got so confused when I was playing my wow alliance toon.                                                                                               

I sat for a few minutes to get a hold on my barrings.                                                                                                            

 The green arrow after clicking under the map.                                                                                                                        

The green arrowed appeared after a few seconds.

 Then it dissapeared.

 The guide is working as it should.

The achievments list is blank is that normal with the wow pro add on?


Looking for wow mop friends.must be nice and helpfull.must help with quests and protect me in dungeons.


Is there any way to make this work with clients in other languages, more specifically Pt_Br, brazilian portuguese?

I'd be willing to translate the guides myself if needed.

In Winter's Blossom, we are

In Winter's Blossom, we are told to pick up the quest "My Husband . . . " from Suna. The quest wasn't showing up for me and I couldn't figure out why. Went to Wowhead, and turns out you can't do "My Husband . . . " if you already have "Beyond the Wall". We have already picked up "Beyond the Wall" at this point, so "My Husband . . . " will not show up.

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I wondered about that (My

I wondered about that (My husband.).  I got them both on a couple of characters, then I never could again, I decided Suna was bugged and hoped they would fix it, I guess instead they made them mutually exclusive.  I will take it out of Kun-Lai and Townlong next time I do an update (which won't be for a few days)

Emmaleah == bravely leading the way since ... um a long time ago... Smiling

Kun Lai - Burlap Waystation

We are told to pick up Broketooth Ravage, A Monkey Idol, No Pack Left Behind, and Breaking Broketooth at the same time. And then told to complete them at the same time. However, Broketooth Ravage must be completed before the other three become available.

Waypoint for Dak Dak was incorrect, and an explanation that he is inside a cave to the left of Ko Ko would have been helpful.

These seem to be out of order. You had me going to a waypoint for Knucklehump Hole several several steps before I even had the quest. I'm standing at this gate going "okay, and WHY am I here?" I think that waypoint is incorrect, even if it were in the right order. You had me at the gate for Townlong Steppes.

I had to skip it so I could move on to actually finishing completing Bros Before Hozen.


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Burlap Waystation was an area

Burlap Waystation was an area that changed (minorly) several times. The last time I went thru KunLai on beta (less than a week before 9/25), It was yet again in a differant order. I remember that breaking Broketooth was that way, but maybe somehow in merging guides with other peoples changes, or maybe I put the wrong copy up or ... who knows.... Thanks for bringing the oversite to our attention.

Emmaleah == bravely leading the way since ... um a long time ago... Smiling

Kun Lai - Zouchin Village

When in the Zouchin Village, I was directed to pick up a quest from Loremaster Cho, but wasn't showing a quest available. I had to turn in the quest to Shomi (Make a fighter out of me) first before the quest could be picked up from Loremaster Cho. We are never directed to turn in Shomi's quest. I turned it in because she was there, and I couldn't figure out why the quest you were asking me to pick up was not showing up. Once I turned in her quest, the one you suggested became available.

There also were no directions for how to find the Prophet Khar'zul in a later quest. The only waypoint I had was wrong. And there were no instructions as to what that waypoint was for. There is a path to follow to find the Prophet. Need some waypoint showing where this path is.

And again with the heartstone issue :) Was told to use my hearthstone (with the instructions "fly if you didn't reset your hearthstone earlier") but was never actually asked to set the hearthstone anywhere. Technically, I'm not even sure WHERE you are wanting me to hearth to.

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most recent copy

I'm suspecting you dont have the most recent copy.  I went looking specifically for the Make a fighter out of me quest in the guide and it is not even close (like 10 quests before) one that goes to Lorewalker Cho.  To maake sure of what is in the download, I renamed my wow pro directories and then redownloaded 2.3.3, so I am sure I have the same copy as is available here.  That would probably cover most of the other issues you are noting. 

I have made some changes, wording some notes better, adding emphasis to the set hearthstone steps.  I have NOT tested it since my char's are not in Kun Lai yet.  The new guide is available at:

Hopefully a new version of the whole WoW Pro addon will be released soon, which should include these changes.

Emmaleah == bravely leading the way since ... um a long time ago... Smiling

Hmm, that is a possibility :)

Hmm, that is a possibility :) I downloaded it and am going to see how that works. Will be running an alt through Kun Lai tomorrow, so will see if all the other issues are maybe already fixed. The one I mentioned up above with "My Husband . . . " however is with the current update :)

Thanks for pointing that out. Looking forward to seeing the next update :)

My two cents

Leveling 85-90 I tried at the same time both this guide and Zygor one and I think that wow-pro does an outstanding job compared to Zygor. It lacks some directions sometime but it's a free guide so I do want to thank everyone involved, you all providea wonderful tool to the whole WoW community, keep going!

BTW, everyone can simply notify any bug/error to improve this guide.

Kun-Lai waypoints are off and a bit confusing to follow

Thank you for all the hard work you put into these guides. They are wonderful! As a few previous comments have mentioned, there are a few issues with the new Pandarian guides. I know it takes a bit to work out all the kinks. Since the previous posts mention a few of the issues, I'll skip to the ones I have encountered that have not been mentioned. Several of the waypoints in the Kun-Lai guide are not very clear how to get to. In particular, ones that involve leading us into a cave or up the side of a cliff. Typically your guides give amazing details and several waypoints along the way to make sure we don't get lost. This is one of the first times I spent over 15 mins trying to figure out how to get to one of your waypoints, and finally had to look it up on Wowhead. This happened several more times throughout this particular guide. And there were a few times where I was confused what I was supposed to do next. I found the beginning of this zone the most confusing to follow. Another thing I noticed was that there were a few times we were asked to hearth, but never told to set our hearthstone at any particular inn. Usually we are told which inns are useful to set our hearths too.

The quest waypoints have no descriptions. There is the name of the quest, maybe a quick description, but mostly very vague and I find myself having to read the quest and look on the ingame blizzard features to figure out exactly what I am supposed to do. Very disappointing since typically your quest guides are so amazing. I have never had to use other questing addons or other features when using your guides before.

One particular example would be the quest where we hop in a wagon and ride up the mountain. The quest description for your guide is "hop in the wagon" However, there is no waypoint guiding us to where the wagon is, nor any description telling us. The only waypoint is at the top of the mountain. So I follow that waypoint and the tomtom arrow, only to discover that this waypoint is not where the wagon is. And instead is where the wagon ride will end. So I have to then travel back to the bottom of the mountain and hunt for the wagon. I should have just followed Blizzard's quest interface that showed me at least a circle of the general whereabout of where this wagon was :) It turns out the wagon was to the left of the guy several feet away, and if I had realized that the waypoint wasn't telling me where the wagon was, I would have noticed it right away. But just things like that were slightly frustrating with this guide. I realize it is stuff I can figure out on my own with just a bit of research, but your guides typically are spot on and don't require this. So following your guide the way I normally do meant doing a lot of backtracking and researching this time around.

I am a huge fan of your guides, and while this hasn't changed, I will admit I was a bit disappointed and frustrated this time around :) I'm sure things will smooth out soon. Looking forward to the updates for all the alts that still need levelling!

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Kun Lai.

I apologize for errors, that zone was very hard to write, I must have rearranged it 4 or 5 times, then made more (albeit minor) adjustments to order later.  Its possible the hearth steps got lost, altho I know at one point they were there.  I can't say how much it would have been nice to have people helping when I was trying to make them.  Kun Lai was the zone I put the most effort in, I personally took 7 characters through that zone, so I feel truely sad that the guide isnt everything you expected. 

Emmaleah == bravely leading the way since ... um a long time ago... Smiling

I can't imagine that making

I can't imagine that making these guides is any easy task. It's possible that after the first time through, you didn't notice the lack of fluency simply because at that point, you yourself already knew what the next step was. You knew the cave was down a slope and under this cliff or that the wagon was the one standing at the start of the trail. It's possible your steps made sense to you because you already knew what was next. It's something I will know the second time through as well. Just was pointing out that using this guide as a first-timer through the zone was maddening, and that there was a lot of wasted time having to use outside sources to figure things out.

Keep up the great work :) I didn't point these things out in an attempt to complain about the guides. I love these guides and appreciate all the hard work that goes into creating them. Just wanted to let you know where I found the guide frustrating in an attempt to help.

Some suggestions

Some suggestions: There are NOOOOO explanations! The tomb of conquerors was really difficult to follow. There were no explanations for when we needed to click on something. Or when we were looking for something in particular to kill. In one example: All I saw was a waypoint, which was wrong btw :), and there were no explanations. Turns out all I had to do was kill a mob and get the map. Something like "look around for such and such a mob and kill it to loot the map" would have at least been helpful!!

You also never mentioned to click on the tablet on the wall. So I was trying to move on to the next part, and had to run back so I could click on it. Many steps in the tomb of conquerors were like this. I will admit, I finally grew so frustrated with the guide that I uninstalled it and just used the blizzard questing interface.

Thanks for trying :) But the Blizzard questing interface was much easier to understand than trying to follow waypoints that have no explanations such as HOW to get to that other side of the wall where the waypoint is leading.

Will check back later and see if there is an update and will try it again. But this guide needs a lot of work atm.

Jade Forest Guide missing "An Air of Worry" Pickup

Jade forest guide has been great and have just run into one bug: we're not told to pick up the quest "An Air of Worry" in Dawn's Blossom, but we are told to turn it in at Nectarbreeze Orchard.

Incomplete Panderia guide?

Firstly, enourmas fan of the addon and have used it religiously for a while now. Got my main to 85 with it. 


Only issue I have is the 85-90 guides seem to be incredibly incomplete. Some steps are in a messed up order, there are no sticky steps set so basically you have to use your own intuition and there is no real information to the steps, just basically telling you your destination (which is not always complete/accurate either) so I often find myself relying more on the in game tracker and quest log. I can't rely on LightHeaded for tips either as WoWHead doesn't have much info on these quests yet (unless I just need to update that addon).


I really hope I don't sound like I'm complaining. 1-85 is amazing. I just think maybe until the Panderia guides are complete maybe the addon should be labelled beta? Just so no other complain. You know how people can be "this addon sucks! The guides are awful!" etc. 


As a sidenote the Panderan starter guide is flawless. It's just the Panderia guides that are lacking. I expect any kinks will be ironed out in a future update though.


Thank you everyone for the fantastic work! :)

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Re: Incomplete Panderia guide?

The Level 85-90 guides have not been played through enough as yet, and they suffered from Blizzard making changes all over the place as the guides were written. Most have undergone multiple edits on the beta realms. because of these changes.

Unfortunately, that means folks like you that start from level 85 and hit the guides early get a pretty crude experience.

We don't even have the monk quests for non-pandaren races in, and G-d only knows what other changes Blizzard slipped in.  I keep running into bugs in the addon where I could swear it worked a week ago.

I beg your indulgence and patience as we try to keep up with the game. But I don't think the addon should be labeled as beta, as it is better than that.  Specific comments about grouping quests or bad locations should be posted to the particular guide pages.

The starting Pandaria guide is not flawless and will be tweaked until us OCD types are satisfied.  But it did not get into the state that it is until more than 10 runs were made; that's a lot of time.

Your patience is appreciated.

testing process this xpac was flawed

I have been using these guides since 70 and followed the cata testing closely and I can tell everyone exactly why there are flaws this time around. Cata had what looked like 50 or so people writing, testing, revising, discussing, working on the guides. They were worked by the good folks who did them with much effort. This time around I did not notice much chatter. I wouldnt be surprised if under 10 people were involved in the process. Now dont get me wrong. I am not complaining, the guides work well enough, I delt with the bugs as best i could and I made it to 90 within 24 hours, and I thank those who contributed. But this website has to go. It's horrendous and broken. The forums are filled with bots and the captcha makes me want to hurt babies. Also, maybe next time put out a request on the beta forums and maybe some new blood will help the process and give those who worked on this some breaks. 


TLDR: the guide was the best it could have been based on timing and staffing. Hopefully next expansion gets more assistance. Hopefully Ill be in beta


It might not be perfect, but this was still damn good by launch

I agree the guide was 'good'

I agree the guide was 'good' but far from the well weathered guides we are used to. I've almost completed Valley of the Four Winds, and I'll say that Jade Forest is 'ok' and VotFW is 'better'. I wish I took the time to write down all the bugs I found (way points wrong, missing information or bad information). I'll do this when I roll my alt through for sure.

Also, are there forums we can post bugs to? This 'comments' deal are hard to follow or report bugs in. Things seem to get buried, etc. Proper forums would be nice or a bug reporting only comments section at least.

In short, the guide as is works enough to get you where you need to be and most of the time provide brain dead simple instructions. Once more bug reports come in and the rough edges get cleaned up it will be back to that A+ quality. I'd say its B+ right now. Don't be afraid to try it.


Also, the captchas used are insane to read. Taking me forever to get it right. Font way too small on some letters.

Bagels n' Lox

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Re: I agree the guide was 'good'

There are too many places to post bugs to!

LUA errors can be posted to the blog entry for the version you got the error in.  Like:  WoW-Pro 2.3.3 Leveling, Dailies, Professions, WorldEvents, and Achievements Release Notes (MoP Release)

Guide specific errors should be posted to the guide pages which are all listed here:  Specific Guide Bug Reporting(oops, I just realized I need to update that darned list!)  If the guide you want is not listed, post on that page to punish me :-).

But people post bugs in all sorts of crazy places, so I tend to just scan all the comments posted and make notes to myself or just fix them right then if I can.


Cheers for the response. I

Cheers for the response. I was also a little hard on the Panderea guides. I've not got past Jade Forrest yet (zone is swarming so i try to get as much as possible done in ridiculous hours) so can't speak for the other zones and there ARE sticky steps included, just not as many as maybe could be. It seems the guide for that zone starts eratically and then gets better (although some waypoints are still off but that's not the end of the world).

The beta suggestion was more suggested as a safeguard against potential haters. We both know how people can be on the internet. ;)

Again, thanks for the great work. I try to spread the word as much as possible but of course when people hear "free quest guide" they often get suspicious. Though I managed to get a new user of the addon the other day while experimenting with the Panderan starter.

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Re: Cheers for the response. (Giving Credit to my friends)

No worries.

The observations by mottaman are correct. There is only a small crew of us working on this:

  • I made the initial port to the MoP Beta, and then had to wait awhile till other components we dependend on were fixed.
  • I got the recorder working and made the first pandaren starter guide.
  • Rajitazi made the Alliance JadeForest and Karasang Wilds Guides
  • Emmaleah did the Horde  JadeForest and Karasang Wilds Guides
  • Emmaleah also made the Neutral Valley of the four winds, Kunl Lai Summit, Dread Wastes, and Towlong Steppes Guides
  • Fluclo took the awful pandaren starter guide and made it real.
  • Twists and I do most of the programming these days.

To my knowledge, these are the first guides that these folks ever wrote, and these zones are big.  The fact that we get somewhere between 8 to 40 thousand downloads with as few problems as reported is a miracle.

Testing the higher level guides is a bit of a problem and takes even more time than writing the guides.  In my experience, it has take 3-6 play throughs to get a guide in shape, and thats a lot of time.  Of course, it is also a moving target.  Blizzard adds quests, deletes them, changes their names, changes the quest ids, makes things class specific, and any number of other things that keep us having the edit the guides as well.

Many of the level 1-85 guides will likely need further edits, but that will just have to wait til later.

Thanks for your understating.   ... and if you wanna help out, let me know!  We need testers and writers.


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I did volunteer to help, but work got absolutely insane and I didn't get to play the beta very much.  Things are starting to slow down and I'll do what I can to go through the zones.  I had 16 85's (12 Alliance and 4 Horde) the day MoP opened.  I've only started on one and she's still at 88.  As I go through with the next toons, I'll take notes and suggest changes as I go along.

Thanks for everything you all have done on this.  You've all done a GREAT job!!!


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I set down to write this twice and couldn't come up with the right way to say it.  5 stars for Ludovicous :P

Emmaleah == bravely leading the way since ... um a long time ago... Smiling

so is the update going to be ready for tomarrow

i dont know how to do all this stuff so is everything going to be on the next update because its getting close and people are going to want to use it as soon as it goes live but i still love them

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Re: so is the update going to be ready for tomarrow

The update will be ready before 9 PM EST.

I am in the processes of test loading each guide and correcting all the little errors that have crept in.

Yet again, for example, the gilenas starter zone names have changed!


one the guide i downloaded on the 15th

it only shows (the wandering isle,the jade forest,krasarang wilds and kun-lai summit) will townlong steppes, dread wastes and vale of eternal blossoms be added the 26th i wanna be sure because i wanna do ever one of those lands

btw love the guides so far

i forgot

and valley of the four winds sorry still love ur guides

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Valley guide

There appears to be a bug that is not letting Valley guide load into memory.  The workaround until the bug is fixed is to open the guide (in wordpad or another text editor) and delete the name of the next guide that is not for your faction. (i.e. "rajkra8687|" needs deleted if you are horde and "|emmkra8687" if you are alliance). save it with the same name.  go back into WoW, Valley guide should then be available.  You would need to do it the other way if you want to then use the guide with the other faction, but I don't expect many are doing that, early on anyway.

Emmaleah == bravely leading the way since ... um a long time ago... Smiling

I'm having a hard time

I'm having a hard time understanding this, I tried finding the name you mentioned using the search in the Valley guide but it has nothing, where should this be?

How i fixed WoWPro

There were many bugs in loading in the guides.

This is the first time I'm using Wowpro so I don't know if the guides are as they should be, but here's how i loaded them in as a Horde toon.


1. Go to <wow folder>\Interface\AddOns\WoWPro_Leveling\Neutral and open Guides.xml in notepad or any other text edeting tool.

2. Insert


<Script file="89_90_Emmaleah_Dread_Wastes.lua"/>

<Script file="89_90_Emmaleah_Townlong_Steppes.lua"/>



<Script file="88_89_Emmaleah_KunLaiSummit.lua"/>

and save the file.

3. Goto <wow folder>\Interface\AddOns\WoWPro_Leveling\Neutral and open 86_88_Emmaleah_Valley4Winds.lua with a texteditor.

Change 'Alliance to 'Neutral' in:

WoWPro.Leveling:RegisterGuide('EmmVal8688', 'Valley of the Four Winds', 'Emmaleah', '86', '88', 'EmmKun8889', 'Alliance', function()

and save the file.

4. Goto <wow folder>\Interface\AddOns\WoWPro_Leveling\Horde and open 85_86_Emmaleah_JadeForest.lua with a texteditor.

5. Change 'EmmVal8687' to 'EmmVal8688' in:

WoWPro.Leveling:RegisterGuide('EmmJad8586', 'The Jade Forest', 'Emmaleah', '85', '86', 'EmmVal8687', 'Horde', function()

and save the file.

6. Startup wow and check if the guides are in the list.



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Neutral Guide Selection

... of the followon guides was broken.  It was not paying attention to the player's faction, but always picking horde.